Stop super trawlers off the Irish coast

[seank]

Hi lads stumbled upon this page on Facebook anybody on there should join more support behind this better. The Dutch ship banned from Australia the mv marigis was fishing
Our waters during the week.

Thanks

Sean

https://m.facebook.com/groups/162704957 ... 0900988259

[donal domeney]

Still out there and the two other boats to the north west are as big

http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/hom ... 83/zoom:10

[gfkelly1969]

it wont be long till the annelies ilena arrives as well,she passed trough the panama canal the same day as the margris both were heading to amsterdam

[JimC]

Am I naive or what.... These boats can not be fishing where they are without quota.

If so they are either fishing quota allocated to them by their country of origin or they have bought/leased/swapped quota from other boats/countries.

If they are fishing legally then so be it. (If they are morally right is another argument) (If they are technically fishing legally is another. Many of them guilty of high-grading/illegal areas in the past).

You have "foreign" boats flagged as Irish and fishing our quota - Fishermen sold out to the highest bidder. Same for UK/NI flagged boats...

Its hard to complain if there is nothing illegal going down. It is hard to complain if you have taken the money and that allows them to be here here.
You cannot really call them "pirates", "robbers" or "plunderers" if they are actually not doing anything illegal.

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As per Jim's post above, I would love to understand the legal status of these boats regarding quota.

Another thing to point out- that Facebook page would have us believe that the evil foreigners have huge plundering mega trawlers while the irish fleet is comprised of small artisan boats.

This of course is nonsense,we have plenty of gargantuan pelagic trawlers operating out of Killybegs, in fact there is a gold rush there to build more huge pelagic trawlers and make millions off the scad and mackerel

[rushnaldo]

Ireland has the largest area of sea marine area and some of the smallest share of quota in the e.u

[Tanglerat]

Ireland has the largest area of sea marine area and some of the smallest share of quota in the e.u

Yeah. That was the deal we signed up to when we joined the EEC. Nobody held a gun to our heads and forced us to sign up. We could've taken the Norwegian choice when they were faced with the same deal - they walked away. Since then, our farmers have been cashing in, and we've a lot more farmers than fishermen.

[JimC]

From The Skipper's Facebook Page:

If true, this is taking the mick.

DUTCH CLAIM VESSELS ARE ON RESEARCH PROJECT
It has been disclosed to The Skipper that the Dutch authorities have informed the SFPA that 3 pelagic freezer vessels that are currently or can be expected off the Irish coast soon are carrying out gear selectivity trials to reduce unwanted by-catch.
The Afrika SCH24, Carolien SCH 81 and Annelise Ilena KW174 are testing separation grids to reduce Hake and small Mackerel by catch when they are targeting Scad and Mackerel
No details of quota allocations have been given.
The trials have been authorised to commence in October 2015 and continue till April 2016.

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From The Skipper's Facebook Page:

If true, this is taking the mick.

DUTCH CLAIM VESSELS ARE ON RESEARCH PROJECT
It has been disclosed to The Skipper that the Dutch authorities have informed the SFPA that 3 pelagic freezer vessels that are currently or can be expected off the Irish coast soon are carrying out gear selectivity trials to reduce unwanted by-catch.
The Afrika SCH24, Carolien SCH 81 and Annelise Ilena KW174 are testing separation grids to reduce Hake and small Mackerel by catch when they are targeting Scad and Mackerel
No details of quota allocations have been given.
The trials have been authorised to commence in October 2015 and continue till April 2016.

What utter horseshit

"So how did those trials go lads?"

"Ah not that great, turns out the new gear we were using actually catches exactly the same as the old stuff"

"Ah fair enough, ye tried anyway"

"On the plus side we caught a shitload of fish"

"How bad"

[JimC]

From The Skipper Facebook Page:

Note: the Margiris is not a Dutch registered vessel. They are up there too!

MARGIRIS UPDATE

Following enquiries to both the Lithuanian, EU and Irish fishing authorities the following info has been released to The Skipper by the SFPA.

The current Lithuanian Quota details available in Irish waters as of this morning from the EU FIDES system ( Fisheries Data Exchange System) ….

Horse Mackerel : ICES IIa, IVa, VI, VIIa-c, VIIe-k, VIIIa, VIIIb, VIIId, VIIIe, and EU waters of Vb, XII & XIV of which Lithuania has 1,868 Tonnes remaining from their original 2015 allocation of 5,953 tonnes in these sea areas.

This is the only remaining Pelagic quota available to Lithuania in the sea areas over which Ireland has direct jurisdiction as their 544 Tonne Mackerel allocation from all EU areas has already been landed for 2015.

[JimC]

There's an online petition here:
https://uplift.ie/supertrawlers/

No harm to sign!

[Bradan]

Does anyone else see the irony in Irish people complaining about these mega-trawlers fishing out stocks in our waters, when we once owned the largest trawler in the world, which fished out stocks in third world countries and condemned real artisanal fishermen to real poverty? A lot of the people moaning now are commercial fishermen with a lot of money in the bank, where was their outrage when their own boats were doing the same in other countries' waters? There are migrants drowning in the Mediterranean, some of whom have come from west African countries because their livelihood collapsed from this carry-on.

(I'm not saying tough s***, or we have it coming, but the faux outrage over this is a bit nauseating).

[JimC]

It is quite ironic alright.
I tend to come at it from another angle though....

We are back to the age old argument and as you say it's largely from commercial interests:

I thought the Irony of seeing "Rachel Jay" complaining online about super trawlers was unreal. - That boat was some "super trawler" when it was pair trawling the estuary up to Waterford cleaning out inshore areas. Biggest trawler in that area for a long time.

It's all the foreigners fault - They must catch all the inshore fish when those said fish head outside 12 miles - That's why inshore stocks are goosed in many areas. Damn Spanish. Our lads are real conservationists.

It's all the foreigners fault - The bastards bought up Irish boats and Irish quota. Our lads didn't take the filthy lucre or sell to the highest bidder - Damn Foreigners paid them too much for our fish. Damn wealthy Spannies spending their EU grants like that

It's all the anglers fault! Assholes caught all the bass back in the '80's.... Nearly wiped them out so they did. Our lads are just honest lads doing a tough job.... Bass are recovering? It is only right that we should be allowed at them again.... Before the French get them outside the 12 mile limit. Damn Frogs!

It's all the EU's fault - Yep! w*nkers put quotas on us. But shur in Kilmore Quay and elsewhere we will ignore the quotas and do what we want. What would a W*nker in Brussels know about our fish over here? Mesh size and square panels me hole -- the cod are everywhere! Damn EU!

It's the SFPA's fault - How dare they try and control us! How dare they and we only getting small subsidies from the EU and Government (Read W*nkers on any given day)... They don't stop the Spannies... They should just let us do what we want... We know best. Dem scientists are only making it up as they go... Celtic Sea Herring? Cod stocks? East Coast? Bass? Mackerel? Salmon and now mullet...Ah now... you know the score.... our lads were just doing their hard job... providing for their families!

It's the Departments fault- They made us paint our reg numbers in big on the side of our boats! Treated us like criminals they did... Cars must have reg plates? Ah...but we are not in cars... We're doing nothing wrong. we are conservationists doing a hard job, out in all sorts of weather... Damn Bureaucrats!

It's the laws fault - They won't punish the wrongdoers so you just have to do wrong. Log book? Ye right... in a panic if we see somebody coming... The two boats that went across to the line-fishery for mackerel off the south coast of England and filled up with mackerel... ah now... that was only for the craic!

It everybody else's fault - you see ye all don't get it.... We own the sea. We can do what we want with it. We also own the piers and slipways... that's why we block them up. Rubbish and old nets thrown around? Now that really is the Councils fault... We're too busy doing our hard job... Providing for our families.... you know the drill

With all that I still think it is wrong for the Dutch company to be taking the mick and these boats should not be where they are. Where is our Navy?

[Rob Millard]

Could they be about to scoop up all the bluefin tuna that we're not allowed to sportfish for?

[beachbuddy]

It is quite ironic alright.
I tend to come at it from another angle though....

We are back to the age old argument and as you say it's largely from commercial interests:

I thought the Irony of seeing "Rachel Jay" complaining online about super trawlers was unreal. - That boat was some "super trawler" when it was pair trawling the estuary up to Waterford cleaning out inshore areas. Biggest trawler in that area for a long time.

It's all the foreigners fault - They must catch all the inshore fish when those said fish head outside 12 miles - That's why inshore stocks are goosed in many areas. Damn Spanish. Our lads are real conservationists.

It's all the foreigners fault - The bastards bought up Irish boats and Irish quota. Our lads didn't take the filthy lucre or sell to the highest bidder - Damn Foreigners paid them too much for our fish. Damn wealthy Spannies spending their EU grants like that

It's all the anglers fault! Assholes caught all the bass back in the '80's.... Nearly wiped them out so they did. Our lads are just honest lads doing a tough job.... Bass are recovering? It is only right that we should be allowed at them again.... Before the French get them outside the 12 mile limit. Damn Frogs!

It's all the EU's fault - Yep! w*nkers put quotas on us. But shur in Kilmore Quay and elsewhere we will ignore the quotas and do what we want. What would a W*nker in Brussels know about our fish over here? Mess size and square panels me hole -- the cod are everywhere! Damn EU!

It's the SFPA's fault - How dare they try and control us! How dare they and we only getting small subsidies from the EU and Government (Read W*nkers on any given day)... They don't stop the Spannies... They should just let us do what we want... We know best. Dem scientists are only making it up as they go... Celtic Sea Herring? Cod stocks? East Coast? Bass? Mackerel? Salmon and now mullet...Ah now... you know the score.... our lads were just doing their hard job... providing for their families!

It's the Departments fault- They made us paint our reg numbers in big on the side of our boats! Treated us like criminals they did... Cars must have reg plates? Ah...but we are not in cars... We're doing nothing wrong. we are conservationists doing a hard job, out in all sorts of weather... Damn Bureaucrats!

It's the laws fault - They won't punish the wrongdoers so you just have to do wrong. Log book? Ye right... in a panic if we see somebody coming... The two boats that went across to the line-fishery for mackerel off the south coast of England and filled up with mackerel... ah now... that was only for the craic!

It everybody else's fault - you see ye all don't get it.... We own the sea. We can do what we want with it. We also own the piers and slipways... that's why we block them up. Rubbish and old nets thrown around? Now that really is the Councils fault... We're to busy doing our hard job... Providing for our families.... you know the drill

With all that I still think it is wrong for the Dutch company to be taking the mick and these boats should not be where they are. Where is our Navy?

Post of all time on this site,well said on all fronts Jim

[corbyeire]

i was going to say potm - then post of year
youve summed it up really beachbuddy

excellent post jim

[rushnaldo]

Bound to be getting bluefin. Probably have by catch quota for them too unlike ireland

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Post of the year right there from JimC

[Sweetwrasse]

Does anyone else see the irony in Irish people complaining about these mega-trawlers fishing out stocks in our waters, when we once owned the largest trawler in the world, which fished out stocks in third world countries and condemned real artisanal fishermen to real poverty?

Yep, and it's on its way back too under another name!

I'm not against commercial fishing, but it's impossible to feel sympathy for an industry which engages in practices like the one above and is fishing itself out of existence due to pure greed and short sightedness. You can say with certainty that if (once?) fishing becomes unsustainable the same people will look for decommissioning grants from the EU- the same body that is allegedly treating it unfairly.

[Bradan]

Does anyone else see the irony in Irish people complaining about these mega-trawlers fishing out stocks in our waters, when we once owned the largest trawler in the world, which fished out stocks in third world countries and condemned real artisanal fishermen to real poverty?

Yep, and it's on its way back too under another name!

I'm not against commercial fishing, but it's impossible to feel sympathy for an industry which engages in practices like the one above and is fishing itself out of existence due to pure greed and short sightedness. You can say with certainty that if (once?) fishing becomes unsustainable the same people will look for decommissioning grants from the EU- the same body that is allegedly treating it unfairly.

I would have no problem with decommissioning grants if it came with stipulations that their licence was now gone, they couldn't buy/build a new boat, and it was used as a scheme to downsize the fishing capacity of the industry i.e no new entrants to replace the licences surrendered. At the same time as starting to adhere to scientific advice when it comes to setting quotas, not setting unsustainable quotas due to lobbying from commercial interests.