Rough grounds:up and over or pulley rigs?

[buitrechico]

Hi,
These two rigs work in the same way when retrieving (with a fish on the hook, the lead is coming first and away from the seabed).
I prefer the up and over rig because the risk of snood stretching is avoided during the shock of a powerful cast (I use springs on the snood /mainline attachement).In the pulley rigs mainline and snood share the stretching.Also,if you don't use a Breakaway Proper Pulley or a Fox Pulley bead or similars that bends the line at a far less acute angle than a standard swivel., you've got the problem of "line kinking".
What's your opinion?
Of course, if you're fishing rough grounds, you can use a rotten bottom rig,but that's not the point this time.
Richard

[sea serpant]

Personally over rough ground I pulley rigs are the best option they have never let me down if tied right when other rigs have and regards fox pulley beads and other contraptions are a waste of money I still stick with bead and large swivel :and 80lb mono straight through from lead to hook

[bigsod]

I use pulleys and cast them pretty hard and never had a problem, the thing I find good about the pulley is when a fish is on the lead is well clear of any snags. Pulley rigs are both cheap and simple to construct and I've great faith in them. I will use an up and over fishing for rays as I feel the further the hook is from a spikey grip lead the better chance of hooking up.

[kstaff]

Up n over rigs are fine on clean ground, on dirty ground the fish ain't hard on the bottom so Pulley better!


Pulley rigs with Trabucco rigs and hooks hard to beat!!!!

[buitrechico]

Personally over rough ground I pulley rigs are the best option they have never let me down if tied right when other rigs have and regards fox pulley beads and other contraptions are a waste of money I still stick with bead and large swivel :and 80lb mono straight through from lead to hook

What size of swivel do you use?

[baitdigger]

I always believed that the up and over or long and low was designed to give an increased distance between the lead and the hookbait for a more natural presentation? surely on rough ground a shorter hooklength would be less inclined to snag?
When the pulley is retrieve, devoid of fish or bait, the hooks drag way behind the lead and I find this snags more often than the pulley under the same circumstance.
My personal preference for rough ground would be pulley if a big cast is required or a running paternoster with the tail of the paternoster made of a weak link which serves two purposes, firstly it may snap if you are snagged, secondly if you are after big fish and they go to ground, because it is a running rig the fish will not be tethered to the lead if you snap off.

[roger de dodger]

Pully ! Big swivel and big beads and an escape link or rotten bottom.

[mackfish]

Could someone put up a diagram or a link for an 'up and over' rig?

Cheers

[red]

Could someone put up a diagram or a link for an 'up and over' rig?

Cheers

Google "long and low rig" their the same thing.
As others have said, its pretty useless over rough ground.

[buitrechico]

Could someone put up a diagram or a link for an 'up and over' rig?

Cheers

Up and over rig: http://fishingrigz.com/fishing-rigs/up- ... r-rig.html

[mackfish]

Could someone put up a diagram or a link for an 'up and over' rig?

Cheers

Up and over rig: http://fishingrigz.com/fishing-rigs/up- ... r-rig.html

Cheers!..