Sliding rig for tope from the shore ?

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Sliding rig for tope from the shore ?

Postby smurfy » Sun Apr 08, 2012 6:26 pm

I'm going to try this rig out for tope from the shore . Just wondering if anybody has ever used it or has any advice . It involves just casting you lead locking up and sliding your baited trace down the line . They advise using hollow Dacron as a leader so it is knot free . Can you get this in Irish shops or is it a online job . Any advice opinions welcome .




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Re: Sliding rig for tope from the shore ?

Postby roger de dodger » Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:10 pm

bead and big swivel on your shockleader 200 lb mono 6 foot long plain and simple :wink:
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Re: Sliding rig for tope from the shore ?

Postby baitdigger » Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:42 pm

It is very fancy and all that but what do you hope to achieve with it?? Have I missed something? Personally I dont like pennels for tope, the second hook is a nuisance and can rip the fish to bits which isnt desirable for a catch and release species.
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Re: Sliding rig for tope from the shore ?

Postby smurfy » Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:03 pm

baitdigger wrote:It is very fancy and all that but what do you hope to achieve with it?? Have I missed something? Personally I dont like pennels for tope, the second hook is a nuisance and can rip the fish to bits which isnt desirable for a catch and release species.


Sorry link must be wrong . I only use one hook stitched throw my baits . It was the method of sliding baited snood down the line Instead of casting it . You just have to cast lead which means further distance .
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Re: Sliding rig for tope from the shore ?

Postby beachcaster » Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:57 am

have you tried a pulley rig with a wire trace snood to stop getting bit off?????
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Re: Sliding rig for tope from the shore ?

Postby thebigman » Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:20 pm

Widely used in South Africa for getting a big bait out for the toothy critters slides are not widely available in Europe but you can find them here - http://www.sharnbrooktackle.com/acatalo ... es_46.html

have a couple but not used them yet, going to be trying them out for skate from the shore.
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Re: Sliding rig for tope from the shore ?

Postby roger de dodger » Mon May 07, 2012 12:33 pm

was watchin matt hayes new program and they used this to fish for BIG fish with whole 2 and 3 lb dead baits the slider can only go one way (out) you shake the rod to keep the bait moving out in the surf ,i must admitt after seeing it used its a brilliant gizmo in theory you could get a big bait out as far as you can cast a 5 or 6oz gripper 8) now thats alot futher than i can cast 6oz and a whole mac :lol:
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Re: Sliding rig for tope from the shore ?

Postby sparkey+1 » Mon May 07, 2012 9:27 pm

Yea saw it to Rodger and that was some big bait they sent out for the shore caught shark.. interesting way to get it out
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Re: Sliding rig for tope from the shore ?

Postby masterbaiter » Wed May 16, 2012 5:32 pm

seen this setup on a few shows myself . means you can get away with using casts to get distance that would normally vapourise a bait .
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Re: Sliding rig for tope from the shore ?

Postby MAC » Wed May 16, 2012 11:54 pm

I've used this method a number of times in South Africa and have been meaning to give it a go myself in Ireland. There is no question about it, you will put a large bait much further with this method.... SIMPLE :!: The method itself takes some practice to slide the bait out but with practice you should be able to put a bait as far as you can cast....

With that comes the problems... In South Africa and Mozambique the tide flows on the shores are almost nil. There are small fluctuations in HW and LW so there is a significant reduction of drag on the lead. Even with this the guys use 8oz and 9oz leads to slide the bait out. Given they are sliding whole Bonito or even bigger baits, but I have seen 9oz used for sliding whole Mackerel in a heavy surf.

I think in Ireland you will need to use fixed grip leads or try to get a hold of some 8oz or 9oz grip leads... at the very least 7oz fixed grip leads would be the minimum to try this method. Even then, don't be surprised if the lead is moving on you. Try it during neap tides and go from there. Make sure there is no weed as it will also trip and move the lead. For Tope use the sliding clip with the weight as this will help greatly when sliding the bait out, especially with a lighter half Mackerel bait. Make sure you use a 8/0 short shank style hook minimum to help keep dogs from hooking themselves up and ruining all your hard work.

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Re: Sliding rig for tope from the shore ?

Postby smurfy » Thu May 17, 2012 12:50 am

Thanks for the advice . I have ordered a few clips and will give it a go when the time is right. I havent seen the matt hayes show but will look into it . I reckon it will work like a charm ... Here hoping .... Thanks again for replies , much appriciated
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Re: Sliding rig for tope from the shore ?

Postby round_ourway » Thu May 17, 2012 3:04 pm

going to try these rigs for the craic. were did you the clips from
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Re: Sliding rig for tope from the shore ?

Postby MAC » Fri May 18, 2012 11:08 am

The link above from the bigman should see you sorted for clips. I've not seen them in Ireland.
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Re: Sliding rig for tope from the shore ?

Postby round_ourway » Fri May 18, 2012 1:57 pm

cheers mac
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Re: Sliding rig for tope from the shore ?

Postby fishing mad » Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:27 pm

Looks good have to give it a go
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Re: Sliding rig for tope from the shore ?

Postby donal murphy » Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:43 pm

have you tried it yet smurfy?

check this

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Re: Sliding rig for tope from the shore ?

Postby donal murphy » Tue Mar 05, 2013 3:56 pm

i tried this a few months back on a wicklow beach, just using a large split ring and a small weight to bring the mackeral out.

it didnt work too well after all my shaking of the rod, the bait wasnt too far from shore, because when i brought it in it was full of weed.

the problem was that the bait was too heavy and the line just bent into the water and rested on the sea bed.

its a great idea in theory, maybe the beach was too shallow, i dont know, but i will try again
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Re: Sliding rig for tope from the shore ?

Postby MAC » Thu Mar 07, 2013 5:00 pm

Hey Donal, Stick with it. I have seen half yellow fin Tuna Heads been used with 10oz grippers.... Mental.
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Re: Sliding rig for tope from the shore ?

Postby rovingfisher » Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:06 pm

Try using the balloon trace for shark put attach the balloon to a polo mint it goes out with wind or tide the polo melts and the bait drops cant find the exact article at the moment

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Re: Sliding rig for tope from the shore ?

Postby rovingfisher » Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:09 pm

polo mint and balloon rig for getting extra distance
this is a rig I tried out and it worked well

what you need
balloons
polo mints
swivels
spare line
any rig you like to use

run main line free trough a swivel and the centre of the polo mint then tie some line around one side of the polo mint and on to the clip swivel then on the other side of the polo mint tie the balloon and then tie the balloon to the other swivel
set up like in the photo


how to use
cast out with the wind at your back or with the tide going out from you

if conditions are right it will go out further then you can cast

how it works

the balloon will keep your rig a float for about 10 or 15 min's until the polo mint dissolves and then it will drop your rig and bait to the bottom

if you try it out let me know how you get on
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