Dunlaoghaire-Rathdown restrict angling to designated areas??

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teacher · #121 Post by **teacher** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:23 am

Nothing in the online edition :(

#122 Post by jd » Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:58 am

teacher wrote:Nothing in the online edition :(

Print edition-
Anglers downcast(!)

paddym · #123 Post by **paddym** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:27 pm

I had a call from E.R.F.B. this morning they are definately making a submission on the matter, they would like all sea angling clubs to do the same.

teacher · #124 Post by **teacher** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 1:19 pm

Interesting ... DLRCoCo have themselves run angling activities for communities in the county:

DD/439/05
Summer Sport Projects

Question: Councillor L. McCarthy

“To ask the Manager what summer ‘sport’ projects the Council will be organising within this ward?”

Reply:

The Sports Development Office are presently co-ordinating a variety of summer sporting activities for the whole County. At this juncture, the activities are being matched with the most appropriate communities, based on numbers and age groups of children and teenagers living in the areas, planned Summer project activities for these areas etc.

Although it will not be possible due to limited resources to deliver each of these individual programmes to each community throughout the County, the range of summer activities which will be on offer include:

Soccer blitz in the community
Rowing Camp
Power Boating
Futsal
Rugby
Basketball
Angling
Tennis
Multi Sports Camps etc.

A number of other activities will be available to the communities in the Glencullen Ward including Angling, Power Boating, and Snorkelling etc.”

#125 Post by **tigerfish** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:22 pm

Hi all,

Just to let you know, I have been in touch with the County Manager for DLR and we will arrange a meeting soon. I

will be sending a letter on behalf of Leinster IFSA after a meeting with the Hon Sec Gerry Knight to agree the

wording. ERFB have written to me outlining the fact that they want me to get in touch with all clubs asking them to

write and object to the proposals. This will be done. I will also be in contact with CFB on the subject as well as

EFSA and John Treacy of the Sports Council. When we have drafted our letter I will post a copy. I intend going on

the same lines as previously in relation to the high rock at portmarnock where there was agreement to work together.

Please keep all your letters to relevant persons to the point, please don't rant. There is a meeting of the Angling

Council shortly and I will raise the issue there as well. Regards, Tom Lillis

#126 Post by jd » Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:08 am

This issue is covered today in the Irish Times (page 23, Angling Notes)

#127 Post by jd » Mon Aug 27, 2007 4:10 pm

Note
http://www.sea-angling-ireland.org/bull ... hp?t=12815

#128 Post by jd » Mon Aug 27, 2007 9:13 pm

We expect another article in the Irish Times tomorrow.

BTW we would encourage all anglers, particularly those in the DLR CoCo area, to write letters to DLR Councillors (addresses above).

Donogh outlined a few different points that you could cover. I don't think we will do a template, as letters are more effective if written in your own words

The arguments are fairly clear, but some of the ones that would work best are probably the following:
1)This is utterly unnecessary, there is almost no real conflict between swimmers and anglers.
2) There have been no serious accidents or incidents between swimmers and anglers
3) Anglers tend to use the beaches most at times when there is little or no swimming
4) Where there are demonstrable difficulties, angers would be quite happy to restrict their use of the beach at particular times in particular places, the problem is with a blanket ban, and only designated exceptions to that ban
5) This is an issue of personal freedom
6) Anglers are passionate about anging and will vote on that basis, few swimmers have any problem with anglers and a ban like this will not gain any votes
5) Sea-angling is becoming a major tourist activity

Lmartin · #129 Post by **Lmartin** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 12:13 am

jd wrote:We expect another article in the Irish Times tomorrow.

BTW we would encourage all anglers, particularly those in the DLR CoCo area, to write letters to DLR Councillors (addresses above).

Donogh outlined a few different points that you could cover. I don't think we will do a template, as letters are more effective if written in your own words

The arguments are fairly clear, but some of the ones that would work best are probably the following:
1)This is utterly unnecessary, there is almost no real conflict between swimmers and anglers.
2) There have been no serious accidents or incidents between swimmers and anglers
3) Anglers tend to use the beaches most at times when there is little or no swimming
4) Where there are demonstrable difficulties, angers would be quite happy to restrict their use of the beach at particular times in particular places, the problem is with a blanket ban, and only designated exceptions to that ban
5) This is an issue of personal freedom
6) Anglers are passionate about anging and will vote on that basis, few swimmers have any problem with anglers and a ban like this will not gain any votes
5) Sea-angling is becoming a major tourist activity

As someone who's fished off Killiney Beach since I was a kid, I'm appalled with what the council are doing. The coastline is an amenity to be enjoyed by everyone - not just one group to the exclusion of others.

As the secretary of the Ballybrack / Loughlinstown branch of Fianna Fáil I'll raise my objections with our local councillors Barry Conway and Cormac Devlin and will get back to you with an update. In the meantime I'd be obliged if you could let me know of any meetings you are planning.

Regards,

Luke Martin
Secretary, Ballybrack / Loughlinstown Fianna Fail
Tel. 01 2675156
Email lukeolivermartin@gmail.com

#130 Post by jd » Tue Aug 28, 2007 1:42 am

some quotes from Irish Times for Tuesday

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/irelan ... 17351.html

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Plan to ban shore angling on south Dublin coastline criticised

Local politicians and councillors have expressed dismay and confusion at the proposal, which was first made public by Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown County Council on August 20th.

Dublin North-East Fianna Fáil Senator Martin Brady has called on the council to scrap its proposal.

Fine Gael councillor for Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown, Marie Baker, called on all interested parties to let their voices be heard.

#131 Post by **kieran** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:06 am

Hi

In conversation with 'Denis', who was looking for contact details - think he talked to JD - he said that the IT was looking for "an angry angler". I explained that this was not the face that we wanted to present but he said that the IT was specifically looking for this as it would add a bit of colour... damned if you do, damned if you don't! It just goes to show how hard it is to get past perceived stereotypes (still in place from the rod licence war many years ago I reckon). Another reason for us to be extremely careful and make sure to present ourselves as very reasonable and conciliatory...

FWIW

#132 Post by jd » Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:35 am

This was covered on Morning Ireland, but I missed it..

Beach bye-laws threaten shore anglers
Cllr Denis O'Callaghan (Lab), Cathaoirleach of Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown County Council, explains the proposed new laws

http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0828/mornin ... 61,242,209

I can't listen to it here because of firewall, but I believe Dennis is against the ban.

#133 Post by **Cooke** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 10:48 am

The follow up piece is on page 6 of today's Irish Times

teacher · #134 Post by **teacher** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 2:13 pm

For anyone that wants to snail-mail county councillors (recommended), here's an Excel spreadsheet that you might be able to use to do a mail-merge.

#135 Post by Al » Tue Aug 28, 2007 2:22 pm

Nice one teacher!
That'll save a bit of messing about :)

teacher · #136 Post by **teacher** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:12 pm

When you're writing to councillors, ministers, etc. about this, don't forget to send your written submission to the council executives as well!!!

Senior Executive Officer,
Culture, Community Development & Amenities Department,
Level 3,
County Hall,
Marine Road,
Dun Laoghaire

DamienS · #137 Post by **DamienS** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:51 pm

It help to draw up an e-mail petition and send it round to other fellow anglers, this would help this issue spread further than anglers on this forum.
Or has this already been done?

#138 Post by **croppyboy** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:25 pm

Not sure but if it hasnt i could try and do up one and bring it to the lienster league match this sunday and get some names if someone with better spelling than me can draft a copy

fintan

#139 Post by **Paramedic030** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:35 pm

I sent a letter to DLRCoCo today from Germany in my name and in the name of seven other regular visitors to Ireland who come to Ireland for the sole reason of sea angling which yet is among the finest in Europe.

I reminded them of the fact that tourism will be Irelands largest industry in the future, with the Celtic Tiger already looking more like a pussy cat than anything else.

I'd be surprised if they answered but if they do, I'll scan it and bring it online.

Keep it up,
says
Patrick!

#140 Post by **slowarm** » Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:37 pm

Here is a list of the email addresses of the various members of the council.

For those of you who can't get a written comment to the council in time, an email would make a difference.

jbailey@cllr.dlrcoco.ie, mbailey@cllr.dlrcoco.ie, mbaker@cllr.dlrcoco.ie, nbhreathna@cllr.dlrcoco.ie, nchilders@cllr.dlrcoco.ie, bconway@cllr.dlrcoco.ie, louisecosg@cllr.dlrcoco.ie, louise.cosgrave@indigo.ie, aculhane@cllr.dlrcoco.ie, cormacdevlin@ireland.com, jdbyrne@cllr.dlrcoco.ie, cfallon@cllr.dlrcoco.ie, tonyfox@cllr.dlrcoco.ie, phand@cllr.dlrcoco.ie, ghorkan@cllr.dlrcoco.ie, kireland@cllr.dlrcoco.ie, tjoyce@cllr.dlrcoco.ie, tkivlehan@cllr.dlrcoco.ie, dmarren@cllr.dlrcoco.ie, tmatthews@cllr.dlrcoco.ie, lmccarthy@cllr.dlrcoco.ie, mmoconnor@cllr.dlrcoco.ie, denisoc@cllr.dlrcoco.ie, gokeeffe@cllr.dlrcoco.ie, joleary@cllr.dlrcoco.ie, carriesmyth@cllr.dlrcoco.ie

Cut and paste this into the To box on your email and fire something off. Keep it clean :shock: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

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