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#1 Post by kieran »

Hello all

Looking for help with the rigs used for sharking from the shore...

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To date we have discovered, always the hard way, that match stick releases are a pain in the ass when you have to cast the whole rig out and down from the shore. They are ideal when you can drift off a boat and gently drop them in to be swept downtide but from the shore, they are a disaster. The impact of the whole Pollack bait (porgies in winter) is enough to smack the balloon off the water and if it hits an incoming wave wrong, off it floats and the bait nosedives into conger territory...

We've been trying various options. One was even a kite purchased online from New Zealand. It was launched into a strong offshore breeze, and promptly did a 180 and smashed itself to sh*te into the cliff behind us = still pulling the piss out of Peter 'the pilot' - six months later.

The best we've got to date is a modified zip slider rig. Wire trace (130 lb IGFA) to choice of hook (8/0 bronzed Shaughnessy) holds the kilo pollack flapper. Swivel to 5 metres of rubbing leader, in my case 100 lb mono. On this is fitted the zip slider. 100 lb mono is tied to 60 lb shockleader which is tied to the braid (600 metres, no fish hooked is going to swim off the reel!) I have to do it this way to avoid swivels because even a small one would make sh*t of the rings on the rod - remember the whole thing has to be cast out about 40 metres to get it into the offshore wind and currents. I'm using a second hand Shimano Beastmaster BX 10 oz from a Bristol Channel wrecker who used it for congers. Tough as old boots. The reel is an ancient Senator 6/0 - massive clunky but again tough as old boots. It's not delicate refined kit.

At present, we have the zip slider rigged to have 5 metres of 15 kilo line on a swivel, to which is attached the balloon. It's stoppered by a big bead which stops it at the top of the 5 metres of rubbing leader (knot to 60 lb line), so the bait is swimming about 6 metres below the water surface. We reckon that is about right for the marks we are trying - its very rough ground, vicious drop offs, lots of white water... so it's not easy to cast. I have to let the 5 metres of line to the balloon lie coiled on the rocks behind me and use an otg cast with the Pollack bait. No lead required obviously. The beachmaster is a 9 footer, so there's enough room on the drop, but its all a bit messy.

Can anyone improve on this please? Would the paravanes they use in pike angling be better, I've never used one?

I've been told that old plastic 500 ml coke bottles make excellent paravanes...

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#2 Post by paul skelly »

A little remote control boat might work!?
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#4 Post by yappo »

Any chance you could do a drawing of the rig so that I understand the setup and post it up? Finding it hard to understand how you cast this rig out 40 meters. :shock:

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#5 Post by kieran »

Sure Yappo will try to get photo buts its not easy on account of the coils for the rig and the balloon rig... diagram may be better...
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#6 Post by guts »

can u put up digram of your rig to see how it works theres reports of sixgill sharks close to shore in bera in cork and huge fish take in clare very very close to shore
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#8 Post by alby »

Hi Kieran,

How’s about

1) Firing a rotten bottom lead out to wherever you can put it.
2) Attach biting trace & rubbing leader to mainline via zip slider / snap swivel
3) Put an inline lead halfway down the trace.
4) Attach bait to zip slider via PVA String (Clipping it up effectively)
5) Slide down the mainline, essentially creating a massive flier!
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#9 Post by kieran »

That's an interesting option however how do you get the bait to "swim" well up in the water column, especially in deep water?

The baits can weigh up to a kilo so there's no need for lead really - the problem is keeping the bait out there and moving in the current , somewhere well off the bottom... and for that we need some form of floatation (balloon). The bottom is usually very rough in these marks - don't want to be messing with it - could lose the whole rig.

Any thoughts?

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#10 Post by alby »

big buoyant float slid down before your trace should do the trick!!
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alby wrote:big buoyant float slid down before your trace should do the trick!!
Doh! :oops: Homer moment - of course it should. :mrgreen:
Just need to figure how we could release it off the rotten bottom, L shaped link maybe?

Might be useful technique from the top of the cliff rather than down on the shelves we fish from.... get it a long distance out, definitely worth a try!

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#12 Post by guts »

do u have to trow the rig out by hand for it to work
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guts wrote:do u have to trow the rig out by hand for it to work
No I am using a monster heavy duty uptider - heaviest I could find for reasonable money - which casts it about 10-15 meters on a lob cast... not ideal as the balloon streams out behind it, once it goes airborne the bait tends to drop very quickly and you lose half the casting distance. The marks are typically shelves on sea cliffs which means there is very little elbow room so casting is tricky, even without balloons... Thinking about changing to a coke bottle with a splash of luminous paint on the inside...
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#14 Post by yappo »

Hi Kieran I think you said you have to keep the 5 metres of rubbing 100 lb mono coiled on ground why ? can you not tie this to the braid and get rid of 60 lb shock or will the knot catch on rings ?
Not sure if I have this completely wrong us boat anglers have it easy lol


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#15 Post by kieran »

not so much the knots as simply trying to tie light braid to heavy mono... any solutions welcome normally use double blood loop. Did some dry run casting with a coke bottle (drop of fluorescent paint added once it was dry) and was doing quite well. Still need to iron out one or two details, will post pictures of final rigs...
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#16 Post by yappo »

Hi Kieran, try this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAbXaGYaaIo

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#17 Post by guts »

only way i can see u getting a better cast is to move the baloon very close to the hook say 7 foot and chum away like mad look up jack shine shark fishing in clare and read up on it u will find his rigs if u keep looking is a compermise

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