The same fish - what are the chances???
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The same fish - what are the chances???
People: 26th Aug - Me, 2nd Sept - Me & Chenz
Bait: Rag & Limpet
Rigs: Float
Results: 32cm Ballan both days- the same fish?
Report: Hi guys, I have attached 2 pics of lovely Ballans I caught on the 26th Aug & 2nd Sept from the same mark. When I was going through my archive of images I noticed that the fish in both these pics have some identical markings and scars. It would be unreal to think that I caught the same fish twice. They where both caught on the same rig, bait and at the same spot just a week apart!
Similarities: The scar on the back just below the dorsal fin, also the white markings near the anal fin and beside the pectoral fin, the shape of the fish's head.
Due to different lighting conditions and camera the exposure and colour are slightly different.
It would be great to see what you guys think?
Bait: Rag & Limpet
Rigs: Float
Results: 32cm Ballan both days- the same fish?
Report: Hi guys, I have attached 2 pics of lovely Ballans I caught on the 26th Aug & 2nd Sept from the same mark. When I was going through my archive of images I noticed that the fish in both these pics have some identical markings and scars. It would be unreal to think that I caught the same fish twice. They where both caught on the same rig, bait and at the same spot just a week apart!
Similarities: The scar on the back just below the dorsal fin, also the white markings near the anal fin and beside the pectoral fin, the shape of the fish's head.
Due to different lighting conditions and camera the exposure and colour are slightly different.
It would be great to see what you guys think?
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Re: The same fish - what are the chances???
I caught the same conger 3 times in a week 

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Re: The same fish - what are the chances???
Cool I didn't know that! ThanksDonnyboy1 wrote:very terrortorial so very likely, well done

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Re: The same fish - what are the chances???
WowShaneH wrote:I caught the same conger 3 times in a week

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Re: The same fish - what are the chances???
they were on speaking terms at that stagemagpie01 wrote:WowShaneH wrote:I caught the same conger 3 times in a weekhow did you know it was the same conger?


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Re: The same fish - what are the chances???
This could be a different fish but same age and probably same school with same markings and would have been attacked by the same predator that is why the scar is similar near the fin.
Ballan 1 has a scar at the top of the tail which could not have healed that fast in 1 week and is missing on Ballan 2.
Just my observation.
Ballan 1 has a scar at the top of the tail which could not have healed that fast in 1 week and is missing on Ballan 2.
Just my observation.
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Re: The same fish - what are the chances???
id go with same fish, to many similar markings .it could have lost a few scales first time the skin would cover it up in a week
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Re: The same fish - what are the chances???
His lower jaw was split and had a missing fin he was a real veteranmagpie01 wrote:WowShaneH wrote:I caught the same conger 3 times in a weekhow did you know it was the same conger?
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Re: The same fish - what are the chances???
twinkle wrote:they were on speaking terms at that stagemagpie01 wrote:WowShaneH wrote:I caught the same conger 3 times in a weekhow did you know it was the same conger?
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Re: The same fish - what are the chances???
Hey simplywabs, thanks for the reply!simplywabs wrote:This could be a different fish but same age and probably same school with same markings and would have been attacked by the same predator that is why the scar is similar near the fin.
Ballan 1 has a scar at the top of the tail which could not have healed that fast in 1 week and is missing on Ballan 2.
Just my observation.
I saw that on the tail too, but I don't think it's a scar! It looks like a bit of debris on top of the tail opposed to a scar. I think that because the tail is so thin it would probably tear rather than scar. I have caught a few wrasse from this mark and each one looks very different, that's why I think this could be the same fish.
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Re: The same fish - what are the chances???
Incredible!ShaneH wrote:His lower jaw was split and had a missing fin he was a real veteranmagpie01 wrote:WowShaneH wrote:I caught the same conger 3 times in a weekhow did you know it was the same conger?

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SPECIES 2013: (1) Ballan Wrasse (2)
SPECIES 2012: (7) Whiting, Coalie, Pollock, Mackerel, Ballan Wrasse (32cm x2, 34cm, PB 38cm) , Corkwing Wrasse, Three-Bearded Rockling
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Re: The same fish - what are the chances???
Same fish alright. Nice one.
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Re: The same fish - what are the chances???
twinkle wrote:id go with same fish, to many similar markings .it could have lost a few scales first time the skin would cover it up in a week
Cheers guys!cathalger wrote:Same fish alright. Nice one.
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SPECIES 2013: (1) Ballan Wrasse (2)
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Re: The same fish - what are the chances???
Now that Ballan is down there telling his mates that he was caught by the same human twice in one week. Not sure if you have any scars etc but he's probably describing your discernible features to them.
List 2010. fish
List 2011: less fish
2012: less fish again,
2013: even less fish.
List 2011: less fish
2012: less fish again,
2013: even less fish.
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Re: The same fish - what are the chances???
This explains how wrasse marks can be destroyed by every fish caught being killed.magpie01 wrote:Cool I didn't know that! ThanksDonnyboy1 wrote:very terrortorial so very likely, well done
I would suggest that it is the same fish; I have seen the same pike caught twice on the same day and have caught the same pike twice at a week interval.
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Re: The same fish - what are the chances???
johnwest wrote:This explains how wrasse marks can be destroyed by every fish caught being killed.magpie01 wrote:Cool I didn't know that! ThanksDonnyboy1 wrote:very terrortorial so very likely, well done
I would suggest that it is the same fish; I have seen the same pike caught twice on the same day and have caught the same pike twice at a week interval.
Very good point John! I'm a firm believer of Catch and Release!
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Re: The same fish - what are the chances???
Haha true!Stephen8wood wrote:Now that Ballan is down there telling his mates that he was caught by the same human twice in one week. Not sure if you have any scars etc but he's probably describing your discernible features to them.





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SPECIES 2012: (7) Whiting, Coalie, Pollock, Mackerel, Ballan Wrasse (32cm x2, 34cm, PB 38cm) , Corkwing Wrasse, Three-Bearded Rockling
SPECIES 2013: (1) Ballan Wrasse (2)
SPECIES 2012: (7) Whiting, Coalie, Pollock, Mackerel, Ballan Wrasse (32cm x2, 34cm, PB 38cm) , Corkwing Wrasse, Three-Bearded Rockling
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Re: The same fish - what are the chances???
hooked a thornback ray at tarbert some years ago, after a struggle i lost the fish as the trace parted while snagged, i swore it was a monster, all me mates beside me taking this all in, i replaced the trace line and sent another mackeral bait out...... 15 minutes later a 4 1/2 lb thornback was laying on the pier with both my traces in its mouth!!!! there were alot of sore ribs that nite on tarbert pier!!
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Brilliant, glad to hear ya finally landed it! A thornie is on the wishlist!booner wrote:hooked a thornback ray at tarbert some years ago, after a struggle i lost the fish as the trace parted while snagged, i swore it was a monster, all me mates beside me taking this all in, i replaced the trace line and sent another mackeral bait out...... 15 minutes later a 4 1/2 lb thornback was laying on the pier with both my traces in its mouth!!!! there were alot of sore ribs that nite on tarbert pier!!

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SPECIES 2012: (7) Whiting, Coalie, Pollock, Mackerel, Ballan Wrasse (32cm x2, 34cm, PB 38cm) , Corkwing Wrasse, Three-Bearded Rockling
SPECIES 2013: (1) Ballan Wrasse (2)
SPECIES 2012: (7) Whiting, Coalie, Pollock, Mackerel, Ballan Wrasse (32cm x2, 34cm, PB 38cm) , Corkwing Wrasse, Three-Bearded Rockling
SPECIES 2013: (1) Ballan Wrasse (2)