clean the cliffs

[MBuckley87]

read an article there last night about rubbish up at howth getting out of hand was wondering if a group of anglers would like to get together and give it a clean and maybe fish the mark afterwards, or any other suggestions welcome.

[Creep]

i'll join you, but before we do we need to get Fingal County Council to help... as there is no way in earth am I taking that amount of S*^&e back home, was bad enough last year the mrs gave out.
also while we are at it we should see if the council would back signs to be posted "No Litter" in different language.
If we had enoungh lads we could form a chain to drag the s*^&te back up the cliffs

[Creep]

gez, 162 views and only 2 people willing to do the job!

[JimC]

An Taisce will provide cleanup materials:
http://www.nationalspringclean.org/

[twinkle]

thats a brilliant idea jim. maybe a sponsored clean up for the RNLI HOWTH ???

[chilly123]

That's the city council land not fingal just Incase ur going to ring fingal. Let me no when its happing and I'll be there..

[MBuckley87]

problem is four lads show up and the other 162 fish the mark. sad the amount of people in that area I'm not even close to howth and I'm willing to give it a go. it's a good idea to do a sponsored clean. council need to be involved or it will never change I'll drop them an email today see how I get on.

[twinkle]

i am moored in howth harbour and the amount of litter in the harbour is huge all the boulders are stuffed with plastic and general packaging .it is not helped by dcc ban on overtime no bins are emptied over the weekends so the gulls pull all the takeaway wrappers out and it blows straight in to the harbour.a sad sight on a bank holiday monday so its not just the anglers who leave this area dirty. but in saying that i would be glad to lend a hand especialy if its for the lifeboat

[Creep]

Sponsored clean up for the RNLI Brillant!
I thought Howth Harbour were part of Fingal? the Graveyards are Fingal CC (I had issues out there with them) intially rang DCC and they put me onto FCC

[Creep]

Sponsored clean up for the RNLI Brillant!
I thought Howth Harbour were part of Fingal? the Graveyards are Fingal CC (I had issues out there with them) intially rang DCC and they put me onto FCC

Picked this up from FCC.. "Howth is an area in the Fingal County Council administrative area of County Dublin, Ireland."

[dfella25]

So you want to get lads who happen to fish to go along and clean up after other people? Who some of whom happen to fish on occasion also? I don't see the connection to be honest. It's not like because I fish that it defines me and therefore I'm responsible for other peoples actions or inaction's as it happens on the beach. Or that I take on sole responsibility for every stretch of coast I visit. Don't get me wrong I commended the fact that people are conscious of environment and the dirt disgusts me as much as you but why should I or others have to go and pick up after them? I mean I'm a "driver" so must I therefore take a black bag with me every morning? The motorways are full of rubbish up and down the country. Am I to bear the burden of that also? Or when I go walking in the Dublin mountains should I carry every single Lucozade or water bottle back down with me because I'm a "walker". If I was to apply this logic in everything I do I'd never get home!

All i can do is take sole responsibility for how I treat my rubbish and litter. I know it looks terrible to visitors and tourists. And that the filth is not only off putting on a mark but can be a pure health hazard. But if a collection of "anglers" are to go and tidy up after them, what next? The perpetrators will decide not to leave all their crap behind them? I doubt it and if anything it will only encourage the practice in my opinion. The way I see it is that the litter problem is endemic in our society. All to easy to play the old FN card but the hard fact is we are a dirty race that quite happily chuck around our rubbish. Just because an area is popular with FN's fishing it, it was there, and dirty long before they ever came to our plastic littered shoreline. And the act of dumping will remain long into the future. Especially if people think they'll get away with it. The mentality in this country is if you can get away with it, sure keep it up.

While in theory its a nice idea but the area your talking about is treacherous and fraught with danger, albeit litter being a part of that! Going around on dangerous cliffs putting my life in danger to pick up dirt after someone else is not the brightest idea ever spat out on this forum.

[twinkle]

a lot of anglers on this site pick up rubbish all the time while out on the beaches not just there own .and i would agree the cliffs is not the best place to attempt this. but if some lads feel strongly about this i wouldent mind helping as long as there is a goal at the end ie charity rnli .this litter problem is now going to get worse with bin charges and the collectors refusing to lift bins that have not been paid. so a trip to an empty carpark black bags and rubbish gone its happening already .a friend got a skip to clear his shed it was delivered friday evening got up 7.30 sat morn and there was 15 black bags full of rubbish in it.we checked through it but no addresses to be found

[Creep]

So you want to get lads who happen to fish to go along and clean up after other people? Who some of whom happen to fish on occasion also? I don't see the connection to be honest. It's not like because I fish that it defines me and therefore I'm responsible for other peoples actions or inaction's as it happens on the beach. Or that I take on sole responsibility for every stretch of coast I visit. Don't get me wrong I commended the fact that people are conscious of environment and the dirt disgusts me as much as you but why should I or others have to go and pick up after them? I mean I'm a "driver" so must I therefore take a black bag with me every morning? The motorways are full of rubbish up and down the country. Am I to bear the burden of that also? Or when I go walking in the Dublin mountains should I carry every single Lucozade or water bottle back down with me because I'm a "walker". If I was to apply this logic in everything I do I'd never get home!

All i can do is take sole responsibility for how I treat my rubbish and litter. I know it looks terrible to visitors and tourists. And that the filth is not only off putting on a mark but can be a pure health hazard. But if a collection of "anglers" are to go and tidy up after them, what next? The perpetrators will decide not to leave all their crap behind them? I doubt it and if anything it will only encourage the practice in my opinion. The way I see it is that the litter problem is endemic in our society. All to easy to play the old FN card but the hard fact is we are a dirty race that quite happily chuck around our rubbish. Just because an area is popular with FN's fishing it, it was there, and dirty long before they ever came to our plastic littered shoreline. And the act of dumping will remain long into the future. Especially if people think they'll get away with it. The mentality in this country is if you can get away with it, sure keep it up.

While in theory its a nice idea but the area your talking about is treacherous and fraught with danger, albeit litter being a part of that! Going around on dangerous cliffs putting my life in danger to pick up dirt after someone else is not the brightest idea ever spat out on this forum.

I used to fish these cliffs alot but as of late couldnt be arsed with the amount of litter, and I could easliy play the FN card as I was fishin next to them but as you rightly point out ITS not only them, but the idea of a few lads that fish do a spot of cliff cleaning (im not talking about polishing rocks or stuff like that , just take the heavy litter off) I did it last year by myself, a week later the cliff I spent a day on was back to the same old same old But last trip to roadstone arklow someone painted a sign "TAKE YOUR RUBBISH HOME!" its been there sometime and I have to say it seems to work! something similar after the clean up I thinks !

[dfella25]

Thank you for your reply Kevin however I think in your eagerness to respond you have missed the fundamental points of my comments. Just because we are anglers does not make us custodians for the shore line. And therefore not responsible for others actions, only our own. As you pointed out, your efforts after cleaning up last year were a waste of time. Whereas as a sign in Arklow has provided a more productive result.

By all means go and pick up after other anglers/people if you wish. And fair play to anyone who wants to give their time to do so. I for one would not be eager to encourage people to litter and someone else will deal with it. And I think the area you are considering is very dangerous. I was only pointing out that it might not be the safest mark for your efforts.

[cachalot]

A lot of the sentiments expressed above are on par to the opinions expressed in the UK Angling scene, where marks are far more heavily fished than in Ireland.

Anglers are now encouraged in the UK to pick up there rubbish and other peoples rubbish and (quite rightly so). Various marks have been threatened with closure (piers, jetties and shore mark access) and quite rightly so.

I personally find it totally distasteful to arrive at a mark to find discarded tackle, wrappers, line hooks etc. allied with the smell of anglers pissing around and worse.

Some clubs, not all in the UK, enforce a no rubbish left behind scenario. Everyone should be encouraged to pick up there rubbish, it is unfortuneate that anglers rubbish can be readily identified which can and does lead to problems regarding access

Unfortuneatly, as in all walks of life, people including anglers CAN BE BLOODY LAZY and NOT CARE FOR THE FUTURE OF THE SPORT and the
impact they have on the innocent people involved ie. the landowners (risk to livestock) organisations which own the piers, jetties and facilities
used.

[thekid]

sorry for the late reply but i totally agree with you.whats the way foreward words or action..