c&r f&r debate

[croppyboy]

just thought it was time to put this out there . For the last few mths people on this site have been slated for keeping a few fish for the pot and the people slating them have been saying its wrong to kill fish .i just want to know a few things whats the diffrence with killing 2 bass for the pot and killing 2 mac for bait . In my opinion both have been over fished but some members think that the bass/cod has more rights than the mac . im not trying to start an argument but i havnt realy posted a report for a while as if i do keep any fish i get i know that ill get slated. we need to stop all this crap or a lot more people will stop puting up posts . the only other option that i can see is we split the shore reports in to a c&r section and a f& r section

i know this is a rant but im hungover tired and in work

fintan

[eyesreilly]

i know this is a rant but im hungover tired and in work

fintan

I hope youre not a brain surgeon Fintan I've put a few rants up but i'm more concerned with the size and amount of fish taken than the fact that fish are killed. I definitely feel we need to get the message across that its not ok to keep every fish you catch.Put up a few reports,,,,,,,go on,,,,,,,,,,you can say that the fish swam away happily at the end,,its called poetic license,,,,,,,,,,and that way everyones a happy bunny

[PaddyB]

I find the whole thing quite amusing really, bass being released after being caught on a plug which has two or sometimes three treble hooks. Im sure the bass is really appreacitive of the fact that it has just been released by a caring angler who has just ripped a treble hook out of its mouth.

[Aurelien]

I think a lot of anglers out there are more worried about, as said Eyesreilly, by the size and the amount of fishes kept.

I am 100% commited to C&R (I have not being like this all my angling life) and that's my personal point of view about how I enjoy angling.

How many anglers are we? 10 thousands ore more ? If every anglers kill only one fish and if you multiplies this by the number of people who fish it gives you a very impressive number ...

But I have, like the most of us I think, nothing against people for whom angling is also enjoying a good meal with a fish you have catch yourself, with baits you have collected, and time spent to try fooling a wild creature.

I am worried about people killing everything and filling freezers with fish (no matter the species and the size) without being concern about the future of the sport.

Every species can be in danger one day, but some species needs more attention than others are they are more sensible to overfishing (I mean fish like bass which are a very slow growing specie) and stocks take longer to recover if we let them the chance to recover.

The debate is always fire up by extremists (those on one side who can't understand why somebody is killing a fish and on the other side those who can't understand why some are practising C&R).

Why I am for C&R ? Because fish stocks are suffering from two major threats: commercial fishing and pollution. So if I can contribue to put back one more fish in the water, in my opinion it will be one more fish to catch next time by me or somebody else and it will be (I hope) one more fish to spawn.

We are like farmers and we have to collect only the "surplus" without touching the stock. For sea fish it's very difficult to have a precise idea of how many fish can be kept without starting damaging our sport. Each anglers have to ask themselves this question before killing a fish : If I kill it, does it make my angling day better ?

Paddy B said: " Im sure the Bass is really appreacitive of the fact that it has just been released by a caring angler who has just ripped a treble hook out of its mouth."

Does the fact that angling is catching fishes and those fishes stress and suffer from a certainly painful sting by the hooks, means we need to kill them ? I don't think so, in most of the cases fishes are hooked up in part of their mouths were it's essentially bones and they recover very, very well.

And if I was a fish I would prefer being released with a small hole (or two) in my mouth than being killed (sometimes quickly but most of the time by suffocation as a lot of people let their fishes agonizing in a bag) ...

Nowadays we have to be more and more careful about what and how many we kill and for those who release fish how we handle them.

[croppyboy]

i agree with some of that i dont believe in keeping undersize fish as to the amount of fish kept if i catch 12 decent whitting and im going to eat them i dont see why i should be slated for that its not as if im killing then and then dumping them. but i dont belive in having bags of undersize fish for a soup or chowder . i can remeber the bad old days when i fished wexford bridge and dub reg cars came down and everything that was caught went in to the bucket(anyone who fished wexford bridge at night in the 90s knows what im talking about) that still annoys me ,. An undersize fish is an undersize fish. if 10 thousand angers went out and all kept 1 fish that still wouldnt be as much damage as 3 trawlers could do in a session . im all for catch and release most of the time but i belive that if i want to take home a big cod or a big bass for the table i should be able to with out fear of abuse from c&r fanatics

fintan

[Drew]

If its being used, by all means keep it, within Reason.

I hate people who keep loads of fish just over keeping size with the view to "feeding the neighbourhood", I hate overkill while mackeral fishng for bait. I hate waste.

[Aurelien]

I agree with you in the way that if sometimes you want to keep one big bass or one big cod you shouldn't be abused for that ... That's your choice and you right ...

I have to disagree with the trawler excuse ... It's like saying if I am not killing this fish somebody else will do ... And that's a very bad excuse ...

It's because of these trawlers, poachers ect... that we must be careful of what we are doing and trying to not make things worst ...

Sea angling is now very accessible, people can travel, fishing tackle become cheaper, people come from other countries (like me) and that mean more and more people go fishing, and so more and more fish taken out of the sea ...

And with the overfishing from the commercial, we can see less and less good sized fish so and it is human people start to keep fish no matter the size ... That's why I became conviced with C&R ...

But definetely you shouldn't be abuse for sometimes keeping a fish ...

[eyesreilly]

i agree with some of that i dont believe in keeping undersize fish as to the amount of fish kept if i catch 12 decent whitting and im going to eat them i dont see why i should be slated for that its not as if im killing then and then dumping them. but i dont belive in having bags of undersize fish for a soup or chowder . i can remeber the bad old days when i fished wexford bridge and dub reg cars came down and everything that was caught went in to the bucket(anyone who fished wexford bridge at night in the 90s knows what im talking about) that still annoys me ,. An undersize fish is an undersize fish. if 10 thousand angers went out and all kept 1 fish that still wouldnt be as much damage as 3 trawlers could do in a session . im all for catch and release most of the time but i belive that if i want to take home a big cod or a big Bass for the table i should be able to with out fear of abuse from c&r fanatics

fintan

Well said Aurelian, I agree with you on this one,youre 100% c+r yet you dont force it on everyone, you just get your point across while respecting others' opinions. Fintan, I think you really are tired and hungover, you needed to get some more rest today .I've only just sorted out the Latvians in Wicklow,,,,but i cant do anything about the Dubs in the 90's. You'll have to get over that part of your life .But seriously, I know how you must have felt ,,thats the way I felt last week .I know i'm probably catching the same few fish at certain marks every so often, but I enjoy it and the fish get a few bits of mack and rag, have their photo taken, then get put back in. They probably think it's worth getting caught for a free meal, but imagine their surprise when they heard the foreign accents, then saw the Dunnes Stores bags . I hope I didnt play a part into lulling them into a false sense of security Of course you should be able to bring home some of your catch if you want, as I have on occasion ,,,,, as for abuse from c+r fanatics ,,,,,,fanatics are fanatical, thats their gig,,,,,try not let it bother you,,most of them wouldnt say anything in person (except me ),,,armchair terrorists is what we Dubs called them in the 90's,,,,,,,,,ps,,,,,I was never anywhere near wexford bridge in the 90's
Dave,,,,,

[croppyboy]

it wasnt dubs for once

[croppyboy]

what about the idea of spliting the reports in to two sections 1 for c&r and another for lads who keep fish to eat that way we dont get page upon page of arguments if you want to read the c&r reports you can and vice versa

[eyesreilly]

what about the idea of spliting the reports in to two sections 1 for c&r and another for lads who keep fish to eat that way we dont get page upon page of arguments if you want to read the c&r reports you can and vice versa

The c+r fanatics will still read the other section and get all fanatical,,,,,,,,,i think most of us are c+90%r .I read the reports sections to see what fish are being caught, where, and what tactics, baits etc are being used,,,,,,,,,not to see whether the fish are being kept .Most people who practice c+r say that the fish were returned while most of the people who keep fish just leave this fact out of the report,,,in order not to get the hackles up of the c+r brigade,and this seems to work ok. Anyways , it doesn’t take much to see that the problems of three little people don’t amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world, so to apeak

[jd]

Catch reports are not going to be split up based on C&R.

I haven't seen too many rows recently (for the volume of reports) , based on C&R etc- send me a few links Fintan and I'll have a look.

[Kaner]

Just because the cars have Dublin regs does not mean that they are Dubs

Each to his own with regards C&R BUT the killing of under sized fish just makes no sense at all IMHO.

[croppyboy]

they werent dubs they were chinese men who used to come down and try and buy bass of us for 5 each and told us the used them in chowder

[ShaneH]

I don't keep anything I catch I fish purely for the buzz of catching a fish and I would much rather see the fish swim away but the way some people go on about c&r on this site is just sad if some one catches a big fish and if they want to keep it that's there choice live with it they are doing no harm it's all the small fish that are been killed for no reason that's what's going to kill our sport

[dbrock]

personally for me it depends on if im going to be bothered to eat it, ive no probs with people keeping fish as long as they are over a certain size, and no probs with people releasing em, but ill def keep some for family members to if they ask me to, but i still release far more fish every year than i keep,as anglers we all need to stick together and fight the likes of fishing bans on certain locations, rather than worry about some guy not releasing fish,

[keith]

I Don't really get it? I haven't seen anybody being abused for keeping fish, When someone points out a fish is of prime breeding size I dont think thats abuse, I dont eat fish so either way someone keeping fish doesn't bother me nor does people putting everything back each to they're own. I think there are worse things effecting our sport that we should be worrying about so can't see this thread going anywhere, Sorry Fintan

[eyesreilly]

As Fintan said already ,he's tired and hungover and its just a rant, give the guy a break Its good for him to get it off his chest,,,,,,,,,,though i do agree that there hasnt been much aggro on the site recently over c+r .Maybe this is a cunning plan to get it all going again

[bigsod]

Fintans on the war path All Hide

[dfella25]

As Fintan said already ,he's tired and hungover and its just a rant, give the guy a break Its good for him to get it off his chest,,,,,,,,,,though i do agree that there hasnt been much aggro on the site recently over c+r .Maybe this is a cunning plan to get it all going again

That's probably due to excessive censorship. Oops that's the end of my post