Our bass laws seem even more important now!?

The Dutch are adopting a similar protection model to Ireland

Henk Bleker, State Secretary (Economic Affairs, Agriculture and Innovation) intends to work with both sport and commercial fishing on the bass protection plan Sportvisserij Nederland suggested. This is the commitment he made yesterday in the House of Representatives in reply to the questions asked by Lutz Jacobi (PvdA) during the meeting from the Agriculture and Fisheries Council.

At the meeting, Member of Parliament Jacobi pointed everybody on the plan Sportvisserij Nederland submitted. This plan is related to the Irish regulation model….

http://www.sportvisserijnederland.nl/sp ... splan.html

In de Nederlandse situatie opteert Sportvisserij Nederland voor een variant op het Ierse zeebaarsplan. Daarbij staat de zeebaars centraal voor de sportvisserij en is er tevens ruimte voor een kleinschalige, duurzame beroepsvisserij op deze soort.

Somebody should have a word with them - a total commercial ban is the only way forward. Still, it's nice to see Ireland getting international recognition for doing something right. We should bookmark this for future use the next time we have to campaign against the commercial sector lobbying.

This might be slightly off topic but it's bass related,I got chatting to a lad before christmas working now in the uk who has worked on commercials in ireland down south,I of course enquired about bass and what I heard in reply was eye opening,it seems, they are being targeted by some and being openly sold in ireland wholesale,I can't say for the legitimacy of these claims but even if partially true would be disastrous for stocks,same old story...greed and to hell with the consequences.

This might be slightly off topic but it's Bass related,I got chatting to a lad before christmas working now in the uk who has worked on commercials in ireland down south,I of course enquired about Bass and what I heard in reply was eye opening,it seems, they are being targeted by some and being openly sold in ireland wholesale,I can't say for the legitimacy of these claims but even if partially true would be disastrous for stocks,same old story...greed and to hell with the consequences.

I was also shown a photo of bass littering the deck of a trawler and some looked well into double figures..

http://www.flyforums.co.uk/saltwater-fl ... ernet.html

for another perspective

It's the same old story, until the EU implements directives relating to minimum sizes of fish caught EU-wide; it will continue to be a race to the end. One or two countries imposing restrictions is not enough. the Spanish and French fleets return to port with whatever they have caught that trip (in waters that were formerly under Irish control). In 20 or 30 years time shore and charter angling will be a thing of the past. When that happens bewildered anglers will have to turn their attention to inland waters (lakes and rivers). And sure by then the poachers will have put pay to most of the fish in them.

Whatever is done,it will be too little too late

I was also shown a photo of Bass littering the deck of a trawler and some looked well into double figures..

Whatever is done,it will be too little too late

So, what did you do about the photo?

I was also shown a photo of Bass littering the deck of a trawler and some looked well into double figures..

Whatever is done,it will be too little too late

So, what did you do about the photo?

What could I do?it was on an iPhone

I was also shown a photo of Bass littering the deck of a trawler and some looked well into double figures..

Whatever is done,it will be too little too late

So, what did you do about the photo?

What could I do?it was on an iPhone

Well who showed you the photo? A trawlerman? Or someone who witnessed it? If so did you get the name of the boat?
I know if I saw something like that I'd be doing my best to find out who and where, and pass on the info to the right people.

Well what I didnd say initally was when I started asking questions I stopped getting answers,I would have loved to hav got some solid info to go on but as I said it wasn't possible,it's no wonder fishing is poor in general,so much for our 'laws protecting bass'.we can all sit here and air our views but it's not helping the bass issue,something constructive needs to be done. The fisheries I know as all governmen agencies are badly stretched and little has been done to monitor the situation,I don't personally have a solution but the outcome unchecked won't be a pretty one.I admit it took some time for what I saw to sink n regarding the scale of total disregard for bass but simply thought I'd share what I know.our laws are a failure.

Its the same as the recession, it will be too late to do anything when the time comes. We have fishery officers along with other people that are doing nothing. I have fished all over Kerry and I have never met anybody checking to see if I am obeying the bass laws. I saw somebody in Kerry catch a 6lb bass and sell it to the restaurant across the road for €50. As bad as this is the illegal commercial fishing will finish off our sport. If the bass go I will stop fishing, and I think alot of people will do the same. It isnt much to ask people to obey the bass laws we have. It isnt a big deal and the laws are there for a reason. Its a disgrace that greed and the I dont care attitude will stop our bass stocks from growing. There is plenty fish in the sea. LEAVE THE BASS ALONE

[Bradan]

Its the same as the recession, it will be too late to do anything when the time comes. We have fishery officers along with other people that are doing nothing. I have fished all over Kerry and I have never met anybody checking to see if I am obeying the Bass laws. I saw somebody in Kerry catch a 6lb Bass and sell it to the restaurant across the road for €50. As bad as this is the illegal commercial fishing will finish off our sport. If the Bass go I will stop fishing, and I think alot of people will do the same. It isnt much to ask people to obey the Bass laws we have. It isnt a big deal and the laws are there for a reason. Its a disgrace that greed and the I dont care attitude will stop our Bass stocks from growing. There is plenty fish in the sea. LEAVE THE Bass ALONE

Yes, fishery officers are doing nothing!
Just because you haven't been checked doesn't mean fishery officers are scratching their holes.... as recent seizures show, sometimes there are bigger fish to fry, and checking anglers is not a productive use of (very stretched) resources. Better to get a netsman who's catching hundreds of bass than an angler catching 1 or 2. Just how many fishery officers are there in the whole of Co. Kerry? You might be surprised how few there are...

As for what you witnessed, well what did you do about it? You've just accused fishery officers of doing nothing, but unless you reported what you saw and followed it up, you have no right to complain. There is a 24-hour hotline number 1890 347324, anyone can call in an incident they are witnessing. Did you do this?

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Bradan..I like that answer......too many people shout out loud but are just as bad for doing nothing....that is the best post I have read on here!

I have fished for bass for many a year and what I see is very very sad indeed,catch numbers have fallen year after year and we can't blame commercials entirely,I know of people who kill any bass they find as well as anything else for that matter,that said,it's why I fish on my own,there is too many so called anglers that practice fishing with this attitude,for so many hits on this topic and so little replys it speaks for itself,I mainly practice c&r but occasionally take a fish,we all go blaming ifi for not policing the shores,we also are not without blame,yes the commercials are doing the damage but in general regarding bass we are helping them along.

Its the same as the recession, it will be too late to do anything when the time comes. We have fishery officers along with other people that are doing nothing. I have fished all over Kerry and I have never met anybody checking to see if I am obeying the Bass laws. I saw somebody in Kerry catch a 6lb Bass and sell it to the restaurant across the road for €50. As bad as this is the illegal commercial fishing will finish off our sport. If the Bass go I will stop fishing, and I think alot of people will do the same. It isnt much to ask people to obey the Bass laws we have. It isnt a big deal and the laws are there for a reason. Its a disgrace that greed and the I dont care attitude will stop our Bass stocks from growing. There is plenty fish in the sea. LEAVE THE Bass ALONE

Slagging off fisheries officers is not going to do you any good.
You would be surprised how many are on this site and can read what you are saying about them.
They cant be omnipresent and funnily enough fisheries protection in this country does not revolve only around bass.

Maybe you would want to have a little think to yourself before posting again

Its the same as the recession, it will be too late to do anything when the time comes. We have fishery officers along with other people that are doing nothing. I have fished all over Kerry and I have never met anybody checking to see if I am obeying the Bass laws. I saw somebody in Kerry catch a 6lb Bass and sell it to the restaurant across the road for €50. As bad as this is the illegal commercial fishing will finish off our sport. If the Bass go I will stop fishing, and I think alot of people will do the same. It isnt much to ask people to obey the Bass laws we have. It isnt a big deal and the laws are there for a reason. Its a disgrace that greed and the I dont care attitude will stop our Bass stocks from growing. There is plenty fish in the sea. LEAVE THE Bass ALONE

Yes, fishery officers are doing nothing!
Just because you haven't been checked doesn't mean fishery officers are scratching their holes.... as recent seizures show, sometimes there are bigger fish to fry, and checking anglers is not a productive use of (very stretched) resources. Better to get a netsman who's catching hundreds of Bass than an angler catching 1 or 2. Just how many fishery officers are there in the whole of Co. Kerry? You might be surprised how few there are...

As for what you witnessed, well what did you do about it? You've just accused fishery officers of doing nothing, but unless you reported what you saw and followed it up, you have no right to complain. There is a 24-hour hotline number 1890 347324, anyone can call in an incident they are witnessing. Did you do this?

Hold on now, yes I have reported an incident in Blenerville 18 months ago, where I saw guys netting, I also rang the hotline number that night as I had no phone on me juring the day. When I told a a guy who fishes there locally he told me the netting was known about and reported on a few stages but nothing has being done about it. Also this is a forum I am entitled to my opinon and I am not trying to start an argument. I realise we may have few fishery officers but I have being fishing alot over the past few years in alot of marks over Kerry, I have never met one. My point is the beaches and estuarys should be patrolled more as this would frighten the people that are netting and braking the laws. This is my opinion and I an entitled to post it.

Its the same as the recession, it will be too late to do anything when the time comes. We have fishery officers along with other people that are doing nothing. I have fished all over Kerry and I have never met anybody checking to see if I am obeying the Bass laws. I saw somebody in Kerry catch a 6lb Bass and sell it to the restaurant across the road for €50. As bad as this is the illegal commercial fishing will finish off our sport. If the Bass go I will stop fishing, and I think alot of people will do the same. It isnt much to ask people to obey the Bass laws we have. It isnt a big deal and the laws are there for a reason. Its a disgrace that greed and the I dont care attitude will stop our Bass stocks from growing. There is plenty fish in the sea. LEAVE THE Bass ALONE

Slagging off fisheries officers is not going to do you any good.
You would be surprised how many are on this site and can read what you are saying about them.
They cant be omnipresent and funnily enough fisheries protection in this country does not revolve only around Bass.

Maybe you would want to have a little think to yourself before posting again

I am well aware who would see my post and I would rather say it straight out then talk behind people's back. This is a forum and I am entitled to my opinion. I will post what I am thinking (within the rules of this site) regardless of what other people think. This is the hole point of a forum to stress ones opinion. You may have a different view on what should be said on this site and that is your opinion but dont tell me what I should have to think about before I post again.

Its the same as the recession, it will be too late to do anything when the time comes. We have fishery officers along with other people that are doing nothing. I have fished all over Kerry and I have never met anybody checking to see if I am obeying the Bass laws. I saw somebody in Kerry catch a 6lb Bass and sell it to the restaurant across the road for €50. As bad as this is the illegal commercial fishing will finish off our sport. If the Bass go I will stop fishing, and I think alot of people will do the same. It isnt much to ask people to obey the Bass laws we have. It isnt a big deal and the laws are there for a reason. Its a disgrace that greed and the I dont care attitude will stop our Bass stocks from growing. There is plenty fish in the sea. LEAVE THE Bass ALONE

Yes, fishery officers are doing nothing!
Just because you haven't been checked doesn't mean fishery officers are scratching their holes.... as recent seizures show, sometimes there are bigger fish to fry, and checking anglers is not a productive use of (very stretched) resources. Better to get a netsman who's catching hundreds of Bass than an angler catching 1 or 2. Just how many fishery officers are there in the whole of Co. Kerry? You might be surprised how few there are...

As for what you witnessed, well what did you do about it? You've just accused fishery officers of doing nothing, but unless you reported what you saw and followed it up, you have no right to complain. There is a 24-hour hotline number 1890 347324, anyone can call in an incident they are witnessing. Did you do this?

Hold on now, yes I have reported an incident in Blenerville 18 months ago, where I saw guys netting, I also rang the hotline number that night as I had no phone on me juring the day. When I told a a guy who fishes there locally he told me the netting was known about and reported on a few stages but nothing has being done about it. Also this is a forum I am entitled to my opinon and I am not trying to start an argument. I realise we may have few fishery officers but I have being fishing alot over the past few years in alot of marks over Kerry, I have never met one. My point is the beaches and estuarys should be patrolled more as this would frighten the people that are netting and braking the laws. This is my opinion and I an entitled to post it.

Fair enough, and you're as entitled to your opinion as anyone else on this forum. However, I made the point that there simply aren't enough fishery officers to do the job - numbers have gone from over 400 in IFI nationally a cpl years ago to just over 300 now, at least half of whom are admin or research staff. So how are fewer officers with less resources supposed to do more patrols???
Posting that fishery officers are doing nothing, when you clearly know nothing about staff resources, funding issues, and the many other jobs that they have to do, just shows how little you actually know. Opinions < Fact

guys we could go around screaming at each other but would change nothing.to give you an insight in to the job of fisheries officers have a look at the post below this one.after arresting two scumbags with a box of bass charging them getting them to court,only for a judge to fine them 600euros about the same money they would get for 1 nights poaching.now put yourself in the officers shoes .how would you feel? what sort of job satisfaction would you have .leaving your family at night to confront 2 scumbags in the dark for a 600 fine the cost of this opperation will have cost us as taxpayers thousands of euros. its no wonder they never seem interested when poaching is reported how would they be