Dunlaoghaire-Rathdown restrict angling to designated areas??

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#1 Post by **eric** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 8:58 pm

today while doing some spinning on killiney beach at the tea rooms, i was confronted by a rather aggressive life guard, he ran down to me bay watch style and started telling me fishing was prohibited on killiney beach, at this point i explained to him i was out of the life guard zone and there wasn't a swimmer near me for about 150m. this behavior was very strange especially because about week ago i was talking to another life guard while fishing about what i was catching, he kindly asked me to move on a bit if someone was swimming near by and i said ''no problem''. but today i was told that was against the law from today to fish off the beach not one for confrontation i walked away. am i within my rights to fish where i was or was David hassolfhof jr right.

#2 Post by **EoinMag** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:05 pm

Was he a stocky enough bloke driving a 4*4 pick up with dark hair?
Don't fish between the flags is all he told me, but he was quite aggressive to me too.

#3 Post by **rapalajoe** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:54 pm

I heard the same story bout the life guard in killiney from a few guys while getting a few stuff in South Side Angling.As a non local....I am not interested in getting into trouble.....can somebody tell me do we angler have a right to fish there or is there any written law that saying an angler cant fish there??The guys from the shop telling me thats its ok to fish there, but i just need a confirmation.Of course i wont go casting my spinner near people in the water,but i saw a swimmer that will just go swim in front of you when u throwing spinner and feathers in dun lougheire.

#4 Post by jd » Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:08 pm

I'd guess the best thing would be to submit a query to DL-R Co Council asking them for the bylaws governing angling on KIlliney Beach.

#5 Post by **JOHN1** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:15 pm

you could give dun laoghaire rathdown co.co. a ring.

they are the people that make the bylaws for killiney beach they also hire the heavy handed security/life guards.
don't forget to mention the aggressive experience you had.

#6 Post by jd » Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:59 am

I rang Dun Laoghaire Rathdown Co Co and will have an update later.

#7 Post by **EoinMag** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:32 pm

He approached me when I was beside the lifeguards hut, I'd been set up all night and they were the first to hit the beach that morning, it was a bloke in a pick up and he had two cleaners with him. He told me I can't fish between the flags as it's a blueflag beach, well that was a lie for a start as they were only trying for blueflag.
I explained that I was there all night and that they were the first and at the first sign of swimmers I'd pack up, which I did, but it was time to go anyway ;)
The agression with me was only at the very start when he told me "You can't fish there," i said "who says" at which point he said aggressively " I said".

I'll be interested to hear what the call to the county council comes up with.

#8 Post by jd » Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:33 pm

Dear John,

Thank you for your query. I have consulted our current beach bye laws and they state under NUISANCES:

"The council may designate areas on beaches where fishing will be prohibited".

As the Council never did designate an area where fishing is prohibited, we cannot refuse permission for you to fish on any of our beaches.

However, for health & safety reasons we would ask that fishing be restricted to areas outside the Lifeguard Patrol area.

Our Lifeguards will be notified of this.

We have recently sent a draft of new Beach Bye Laws to an area committee meeting and the next step is an advertisement inviting members of the public to enter submissions regarding these new bye laws.

The fishing section of the new bye laws states that fishing will be prohibited anywhere except in designated areas.

You may wish to submit a proposal regarding this issue when the advertisement is published in national papers within the next week or two.

Hoping this information is helpful.

#9 Post by **EoinMag** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:38 pm

jd wrote:
The fishing section of the new bye laws states that fishing will be prohibited anywhere except in designated areas.

Guys this is bad news, very bad news, make sure that there is a response to this byelaw proposal when it comes out or we'll see some of the best surf beaches being closed to fishing.

#10 Post by jd » Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:38 pm

I've asked for some further clarification from DLR CoCo.
As I read it, (pending clarification), angling will be banned everywhere on the coast except in designated areas.
jd

#11 Post by **EoinMag** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:41 pm

jd wrote:I've asked for some further clarification from DLR CoCo.
As I read it, (pending clarification), angling will be banned everywhere on the coast except in designated areas.
jd

jd it'd be a good idea to have an organised response ready for this when the advertisement is made of the proposed byelaws, this could seriously mess up some of the best marks going.

#12 Post by jd » Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:42 pm

It applies to everywhere John and the most probable designated areas will only be harbours.
But as I said, you will be able to make a submission about this if you feel strongly about it and the Council will consider it before making further amendments.

Lads, we will have to get organised here.
jd

#13 Post by **m.b3** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:43 pm

interesting thread. may be a good idea to get some sort of foothold in the door before these bye-laws go into action? a proposal? massive areas of beach could be lost to anglers if no effort is made? i have absolutely no problem with designated swimming areas but designated fishing areas lends itself nicely to 'being squashed out'. swimmers will always have somewhere to swim! they will always be accounted for. i wish i could be confident of common sense prevailing but i wouldn't count on it. fair play to the council for getting back to you.

Rockhopper · #14 Post by **Rockhopper** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:34 pm

I was going to post this on the CPR stickie, but its locked for some reason.

These laws are probably passed by people with no idea what fishing is all about or how much money it brings into the economy....anyways a friend in Florida pointed this out to me.....I copied it out from another site...

"Was just reading the latest Florida Wildlife magazine the other day and ran into an artical that now states the removeing a protected fish from the water for photo or even just to remove a hook has been deemed a violation and that if they see a photo posted on the net they will send that poster a warning for now.
soon you will see them start issueing fines if they can prove the date of the photo.
Just think what this would mean to those of us who fish from shore. we will now have to identify our fish before we bring him in and if deemed a protected species we will have to wade out to unhook it."

These laws need to be fought before they are passed, its going to be a lot harder to appeal them than it is to stop them.....where do we start!! here is as good a place as any!! is it not?

Tom.

#15 Post by jd » Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:43 pm

A notice will appear in The Irish Times in a week or so. Could you hold back lobbying/making submissions until then.
john

#16 Post by **EoinMag** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:03 pm

jd it might be worth making up a response letter when the time comes and then get everyone that you can from the site to print it off and post it to the relevant people.

Mr_Green · #17 Post by **Mr_Green** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:08 pm

Seriously need to get on the ball sooner rather than later...protest being the last option... mayb letters and signatures would be the way to go firstly...

#18 Post by **EoinMag** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:13 pm

Well the county council said they will announce proposals, that's the time that we should let fly with a barrage of protest mails, when they are asking for feedback, if we get an organised response then hopefully it'll be more organised than anyone who would want angling banned in certain areas, what's the reason for wanting to restrict fishing in certain areas where there are no lifeguard flags?
It'd be an idea to find out who proposed the idea of restrictions and what their motivation is too.

#19 Post by **Bradan** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:57 pm

Lads
Having been involved in a recent public consultation process, I'd say try to get as many submissions in from different people as you can once the call for submissions goes out. The more names and clubs that object to this the more chance you have of reversing the decision. Letters from clubs should emphasise how many members they represent. If you can, get a letter from IFSA, and emphasise the number of clubs and anglers they represent nationwide.
In advance of that, I'd also suggest writing to ALL the local councillors, TDs, public representatives, etc, outlining your concern about these proposals and the impact they would have on a traditional pastime in this area, as well as an important recreational amenity.

#20 Post by **eric** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 3:13 pm

ive been worried about something like this happening for a long time, dear god we must do something, why cant we share the coast, a bit of common decency can go a long way, surely we are just as important as swimmers, perhaps we could get a petition rolling to combat these new proposed laws.