The Short Two-hander in the Salt

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Re: The Short Two-hander in the Salt

Postby Spruce » Mon Jan 19, 2015 9:14 pm

Agree salar. Some of the top end manufacturers should follow suit.

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Re: The Short Two-hander in the Salt

Postby salar » Sat Jan 31, 2015 12:00 am

The recommended weights for a shooting head written on the rod are somewhat conservative in this case. The Shakespeare Scandi 12'9" rod will handle a Shooting Head of anything from 26 grams to 44 grams. From my cut and splice trials a head of 38' weighing 35 grams with a 15' #5 (5 grams) tip is about optimum. Casting distance with the minimal effort is exceptional either overhead or underhand. My running line is marked up to 130' and from what I can see, I can lob a 5" sand eel pattern well beyond what I would ever need to in practical fishing reality

The profile of my preferred line has a 10' front taper and a 3' back taper - the front half weighs 14 grams and the rear half weighs 21 grams. Underhand casts with no back cast room are exceptional and overhead casts are easier still. Turnover with the 15 ' foot tip would suit un weighted bass flies right down to small mullet patterns.

If you happen to be salmon fishing, this line profile would cover most of the year other than a very cold and early Spring situation.
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Re: The Short Two-hander in the Salt

Postby salar » Thu Mar 12, 2015 6:25 pm

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Re: The Short Two-hander in the Salt

Postby salar » Fri Jun 19, 2015 10:46 pm

The 12' 9" oracle scandi in action with a 100' plus line out


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Re: The Short Two-hander in the Salt

Postby Spruce » Sat Jun 20, 2015 3:35 pm

Pretty impressive salar. 53' is a long head though. Do you not struggle in head winds in the surf?
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Re: The Short Two-hander in the Salt

Postby salar » Sat Jun 20, 2015 4:29 pm

Hi Spruce

If the wind strength and direction creates casting problems, I leave off the light 15' tip and it becomes more manageable. For the most part though I find that the full 53' seems to suit the rod.

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Re: The Short Two-hander in the Salt

Postby MAC » Wed Jun 24, 2015 10:01 am

Very handy to have... Takes all the confusion out of it for sure.. Nice one Shakesphere!!
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Re: The Short Two-hander in the Salt

Postby salar » Fri Jan 01, 2016 4:04 am

Over the year I have found that the affordable two handed Oracle Scandi 12'9" is a gem of a fly rod which delivers effortless long casts (40yds is no problem to the experienced spey caster) also doubles as super float rod - and if want to travel light and have a small fixed spool reel in your pocket, - will deliver a 30 gm lure with ease.

Waiting on delivery of the Shakespeare Oracle Scandi 14' 9" a rod which has held its own in shootouts with brand-names costing considerably more (10 times). Might be a bit overkill for salt water but the last 15' rod I fished weighed 2.25lbs -but this one weighs in at only 11 ounces. Heavy rods had little impact on casting but were difficult to hold horizontally whilst you worked a fly around on a swing.

Also what I have found is true is - what I have always suspected - if you are delivering fairly large flies over distance in challenging conditions - the two-handed rod reigns supreme.
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Re: The Short Two-hander in the Salt

Postby salar » Fri Apr 15, 2016 1:00 am

Update..

The 14' 9" Oracle Scandi lives up its verdict by Trout and Salmon as an en exceptional but inexpensive distance caster of shooting heads. However, from the point of view of 'feel' the 12' 9" Scandi casts 'almost' as far with less effort. On this tack the very reasonably priced Flextec 11' #8/9 can also make the longish cast with similar effort. I always use 100ft to try double handed rods because usual casting distances of 50-70' in practical fishing become effortless with these rods.

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Re: The Short Two-hander in the Salt

Postby Spruce » Sat Apr 16, 2016 10:25 pm

Very nice salar, but...please forgive me if I am wrong but it looks as though you have a favourable breeze and you definitely aren't overhead casting. Conditions are usually different in the surf and performing waterborne anchor are "kiss and go" casts are rarely achievable. Nice casting all the same.
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Re: The Short Two-hander in the Salt

Postby Spruce » Sat Apr 16, 2016 10:28 pm

Spruce wrote:Very nice salar, but...please forgive me if I am wrong but it looks as though you have a favourable breeze and you definitely aren't overhead casting. Conditions are usually different in the surf and performing waterborne anchor or "kiss and go" casts are rarely achievable. Nice casting all the same.
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Re: The Short Two-hander in the Salt

Postby salar » Sun Apr 17, 2016 9:46 pm

Hi Spruce

A big proportion of my fly fishing is around high water in the estuary where I seem to be invariably backed up into the trees. When your back is nearly in the undergrowth, spey casting makes fly fishing possible.
If I were on the beach in the surf, overhead casting is the way to go. Using a spey profile I shorten the line by bringing the join to the running line 5 feet inside the top ring which loads the rod up correctly on the back cast in an overhead cast.
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