waterford/ clonea/17/11

People:1

Duration:3/6pm.

Tide:h.w.@

Weather:cool/sunny/nice surf

Bait:lugs

Rigs:2 hhok pats/1up1 down runners

Results:2 bass/6.5,4lb/1 flounder

Catch and Release:: Yes/1 bass,flatie



Report:fished 3 hours of the ebb.
some guy stopped to admire the bass which i,ed hung from the tripod
was goin to tell him never turn your back to the sea, as i could see a large wave comeing, smiled as it swamped him up past his knees, what could i do but laugh, the look on his face said it all.
met another angler that had also got 2 bass 2 flounders.

Nice Bass 8)


Cruel Cortaz :twisted: :twisted: Poor innocent man :lol: :lol: :lol:


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

John

some guy stopped to admire the bass which i,ed hung from the tripod

:roll: :( :( :(

Why do you feel the need to constantly let people know you have killed another bass, ok so its law you can take two at a time but in these impressionable times I think the report minus the obvious killing would be more constructive. You know as well of the rest of us that Bass stocks need to be preserved, unfortunatly alot of others dont know or care and we should try be trying to set a better example to these anglers.

Im not having a go, just saying, I know your a capabile angler who catches lots of Bass and the proportion you keep is very small compared to this but to someone who doesnt know you it just looks like you catch lots of Bass (and other species) and kill them all, not a good example in my book. Please keep making the reports as they are great to read but maybe leave the fish killing out of them in future or at least make it less obvious please?

You can all shout at me now for saying what alot of people are thinking.

Regards,

Marty

you have a right to voice your opinion marty. others might make a song and dance about it but i dont think cortaz will. he seems open to commetns and suggestions and good on him for that.

i dont agree marty. in my opionion he dosent shout about it, he just lets people know what he kept and what he realeased, and in my book thats beter than lying about what he did with the fish.

Well Marty!

I reckon that Cortaz is not feeling the need to inform anyone about killing a bass. I reckon he is telling it as it is. Some of us do keep fish to eat, or give to family and friends. Fact of life. That's fishing.

How could anybody get the impression from reading these reports that all fish being killed? Anybody reading these reports will see that plenty fish are being caught and some are being kept for the pot and most are released. What's the issue here? Are political correctness tentacles reaching angling?

I don't think anybody will shout at you for expressing your opinion, however I feel that you are in the minority. Most of us are happy to catch and happy to keep if needed, the choice is ours! We report the facts as they happen.
Remember, the anglers that catch the most keep the most, and release the most!

some guy stopped to admire the bass which i,ed hung from the tripod

:roll: :( :( :(

Why do you feel the need to constantly let people know you have killed another bass, ok so its law you can take two at a time but in these impressionable times I think the report minus the obvious killing would be more constructive. You know as well of the rest of us that Bass stocks need to be preserved, unfortunatly alot of others dont know or care and we should try be trying to set a better example to these anglers.

Im not having a go, just saying, I know your a capabile angler who catches lots of Bass and the proportion you keep is very small compared
to this but to someone who doesnt know you it just looks like you catch lots of Bass (and other species) and kill them all, not a good example in my book. Please keep making the reports as they are great to read but maybe leave the fish killing out of them in future or at least make it less obvious please?

You can all shout at me now for saying what alot of people are thinking.

Regards,

Marty

the form is bad with you tis mornin marty, drink i suppose :roll:
or you dident get the r..e :)
answer this;
there was a net washed ashore around ballycotton last wk. that contained 180 BASS (i,am sure you read the post) did you write any letters to the relevent authorities condemning this, i bet not,(*i did) you dident open your mouth about it did you, and why not?
answer me.......or do you just like soft touches, were you can show how much you realy care about bass :roll:
i,am not haveing a go at you eather marty :D but this is an angling site were ppl. catch fish and KILL some, why not?? its the foundation of the sport.

[/quote] its the foundation of the sport.[/quote]

do you mean present day in general or where it begin originally Cortaz?

the form is bad with you tis mornin marty, drink i suppose :roll:
or you dident get the r..e :)
answer this;
there was a net washed ashore around ballycotton last wk. that contained 180 BASS (i,am sure you read the post) did you write any letters to the relevent authorities condemning this, i bet not,(*i did) you dident open your mouth about it did you, and why not?
answer me.......or do you just like soft touches, were you can show how much you realy care about bass :roll:
i,am not haveing a go at you eather marty :D but this is an angling site were ppl. catch fish and KILL some, why not?? its the foundation of the sport.

The form is fine thanks, not drunk and no other probs or afflictions in fact I was fresh from work. I have the sense to keep my views to myself when im drunk.

Ballycotton net, sorry I didnt read the post as I cant get to the site every day due to working all manner of strange and wonderful hours, sorry i didnt open my mouth (i mustnt care then i presume)

I regards to how much I care about bass im afraid I cant show or prove how much I really care bar returning my fish and reporting any incidents in the line of nets etc to the proper authorities and being a sensible compassionate angler. I didnt realise you had to show how much you care to prove youself and be allowed to make a comment. Anyone that knows me and knows my site knows just how much I care about the future of our fisheries, we cared so much on my site we lobbied and then actually got meetings with the government and had the laws changed in regards to the killing of Coarse fish if that counts!

The future is something alot of people need to consider, besides decreasing fish stocks the anti`s are on there way and their lobbying power is beyond belief, there gonna love you guys with your pics of dead fish, easy targets boys! I think (and hope) youll see changes in many areas of angling over the coming years as people wake up to whats happening around them and educate themselves a bit to the bigger picture(thats not directed at you in particular cortaz).

As I said in the first place I wasnt condemning you or anyone else about keeping fish I just think in this day and age we all need to be more careful about how we portray ourselves as anglers. In my book the time for dead fish pics is over, its not hard to take a snap of a fish on location where its not obviously dead.

Marty

i agree wit wat ure sayin about publically admitting about killing fish publically. the anti's are a genuine threat. recently in england there was an attack on a group of flyfishers by an anti group comming back from protesting a partridge shoot {i think}.worryingly it wasnt a case of sitting down and protesting but a case of threatening with baseball batss etc.

Lets look at The Ballycotton Net

add a little speculation and tentative calculations and lets say there is four of these nets operating just in the southern region of Ireland. Then add some numbers

4X180 fish per net
X 2 tides a day
X 5 times for the good tidal period
= 7200 Fish

X twice a month
= 14400 Fish

lets say for May June July August
= 57600 Fish

performing at 75% of the time

lets say 45000 taken illegally by 4 operators

whose selling the fish?
whose buying the fish?
whose eating the fish?
how much damage does this do to the bass population?
how much is it worth to local economies?
how much is this worth to anybody?
where is the sustainability, management?


Lets take four saltwater guides whose clients (3) take two fish a day every day for the same season (Which they dont do by the way, they would soon be sick of bass)

3x2
6 fish per day
X7 days of the week
= 42 fish per week
X16 weeks of season
= 672 fish
X 4 guides
= 2688 fish

5% of the total above

lets look at Economies, Image, Perception etc.

All of the customers who come to the guides have a good time, they stay on average 6.2 days with the guide. They spend on average 325.00 euros per day (source Failte Ireland). They get nice fotos, have a good time, go back and tell their friends what a great time they had in lovely Ireland. They come back again so do their friends.

3X7 3 clients by seven days
21X16 weeks of the season
336 client days
336X325 euros per day spend
=109200 euros spent
109200X4guides
436800 euros

contributed to the local economies, shops, pubs, restaurants, B+B's etc


Now lets take bass anglers in general all over the country - how many i dont know - lets estimate for talks sake

2000X8 fishing days
16000X4 months
=32000 fishing days


lest say their catch rate is 25% of the time and they retain two fish
lets say one fifth of people are fishing at any time (100)
16X7
=112 fishing days
112X100
=11200 angler days
11200X2 caught and retained fish
22400 fish caught by visiting anglers and local anglers during the seaso

there spend is 40 euros a shot or 100 if a visiting angler.

so take 11200 angler days X 70 euros = 784000 euros to local shops, pubs, restaraunts, B+B's etc

For the sake of this calculation

All the anglers in Ireland would take legally less than 25000 fish under normal fishing circumstances (once or twice a week) in a total season. The net worth generated to local economies is someting in the region of 1.5 million euros.

SEAi and its service kept and killed 26 fish this season. People took them and barbecued them here at the premises, with wine, wexford potatoes, and whatever took their fancy - its part of the reason that they fish its enjoyable. The fish were killed instantly and humanely. they will come back next year to d othe same thing!

I think if we cant kill and eat a fish then we shouldnt be fishing for them.
Anglers are not the enemy here - but we should preserve a sportfishing ethos. Other people, not anglers are destroying another natural resource and the government sits by and continues to do nothing, it fails to recognise the potential, it fails to react to dwindling angling numbers, it fails to protect or enhance our fisheries. It fails to prosecute the real criminals in this arena.

whos kidding who here?

i dont see anything wrong with cortaz keeping the odd fish for the pot, whats the problem with him telling people about it either, he's a good angler and is not afraid to help people out either, from reading his and other peoples posts he does more than his fair share for protecting bass and in my opion his helpfull and open posts have brought a lot to this forum over the past year.
good on you cortaz.

its the foundation of the sport.[/quote]

do you mean present day in general or where it begin originally Cortaz?[/quote]

both

high marty :)
1 your stressed out from work :?
2 selective eye sight :oops:
3 why dident you join the B.P.G. :shock:
4 the anti,s a bunch of burnt-out hippys :x
5 but you were condemening me :P
my advice marty give up fishin and join the anti,s your more than half way there already :wink:
p.s.
your as good at spellin am i is :)

lads marty has done great work protecting fish through his site, and the group set up through his site was a driving force in getting the new bye laws to protect pike and coarse fish.

cortaz has done similar from what i can tell with netting in waterford.

you are both on the same side and a bit of debate is no harm among anglers. if you put reports up sometimes you get questioned. happens to us all.

to true adam

the anti's are far from burnt out hippi's.these are extremely well organised and supported organisations.ive spoken to friends in england and scotland involved in driven shoots who have been protested on by antis and the degree of planning, co ordination and logistics used by these groups is scary. its not a matter of if but when we are targeted.

p.s i'm not condeming u cortaz, i think what you have done should be looked upon with great respect.

Just on a side note - many of these by-laws are being totally disregarded by our now native immigrant workforce from eastern europe

I have heard from numerous sources around here of lakes etc being almost totally wiped out of pike and other coarse fish by these "fishermen"

These guys are eating everything (and I mean everything) they catch.

Maybe there is no word for "release" in their native tongue :?

As to the other conversation about being portrayed as ruthless killers of fish I would totally disagree with comments about Cortaz.
I have been fishing with him and others and would consider him to be one of the most knowledgeable anglers around these parts (and further afield). Always remember that Cortaz has seen this sport from a different side too (in a past life).
I think he knows only too well what the effect of over fishing an area can do as he has fished (and overfished) the same waters for all of his life (since knee high to a grasshopper)
And also not to discount the work done with the CFB on gh bream population in the estuary here. Also work done with the bass protection group - travelling to meetings and conferences at long distances and short notice.
Add all this to the numerous people he has provided a guide service to and also to the numerous people he has helped to get involved in this sport (myself included).
Without his support and instruction I'd probably still be a (idiot) mackie basher taking fish for no reason .

I also think that there is an ostrich type attitude to taking fish you catch - I mean come on .... its okay to take them as long as you dont tell anyone????? Are people that naive that they dont know how we get the majority of our fish to eat ??
(ps - they are taken from the sea - dont tell anyone.....)

And the majority of fish taken by Cortaz will have been deeply hooked and have died/bled out - just check his posts

I (personally) think that we should salute those like Cortaz. I do.

rant over :roll:

john.

Marty,

How did we get from mentioning a bass on a tripod to pictures of dead fish?
Post 1:

Please keep making the reports as they are great to read but maybe leave the fish killing out of them in future or at least make it less obvious please?

Post 2:

As I said in the first place I wasnt condemning you or anyone else about keeping fish I just think in this day and age we all need to be more careful about how we portray ourselves as anglers. In my book the time for dead fish pics is over, its not hard to take a snap of a fish on location where its not obviously dead.

I thought your issue was mentioning dead fish in posts, not photos?

Marty,

How did we get from mentioning a bass on a tripod to pictures of dead fish?
Post 1:

Please keep making the reports as they are great to read but maybe leave the fish killing out of them in future or at least make it less obvious please?

Post 2:

As I said in the first place I wasnt condemning you or anyone else about keeping fish I just think in this day and age we all need to be more careful about how we portray ourselves as anglers. In my book the time for defish pics is over, its not hard to take a snap of a fish on location where its not obviously dead.

I thought your issue was mentioning dead fish in posts, not photos?

Selective quoting there Jim, you should have been a politician
I think if you read all of Martys last post, the last bit is a genaralization on his views . Views I happen to share.

How could anybody get the impression from reading these reports that all fish being killed? Anybody reading these reports will see that plenty fish are being caught and some are being kept for the pot and most are released. What's the issue here? Are political correctness tentacles reaching angling?

According to cortaz

Results:2 bass/6.5,4lb/1 flounder

Catch and Release:: Yes/1 bass,flatie


So going by his report , no not all fish are killed

However. working on the theory that a picture speaks a thousand words .

[img]http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/2836/11gg4.jpg[/img]

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[img]http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/6857/14qg4.jpg[/img]

[img]http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/4596/15no9.jpg[/img]

[img]http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/4609/img018112id9.jpg[/img]

[img]http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3639/img012652uw2.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/album_mod/upload/img036_108.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/album_mod/upload/img026_545.jpg[/img]

Dp you think that the above encourages Anglers to catch and release

:roll: eh Jim ?