cunnigar 8/8/05 [potential irish record bream landed]

People:me and dottie

Duration:18.30./21.30

Tide:20.30.H.W.

Weather:sunny/cloude

Bait:lugs

Rigs:running leger

Results:me; 3 bass 3+3+1lbs
dottie ;2 bass 4+3lbs

Report: the gilthead sea bream cought by dottie on 7/8/05 has been submitted to the irish I.S.F.C.and lookls like been accepted as both an NEW species and irish record the fish weighted1.420kgs and mesured 17 inches it was taken in 3ft. of water 40 yards out 4 other bream were also cought iin the same session 1lb each
we have cought 35 between us this year so far mostly around the 1lb mark.there are alot more fish tere to be cought as u can see them sometimes.any advice on fishing the cun. for bass/bream phone dottie on (removed by moderator) its easy enough to catch them

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Do Gilthead Bream fight as well as Black Bream?

And do they taste as nice too? :P

Nice fishing, congrats.

Do Gilthead Bream fight as well as Black Bream?

And do they taste as nice too? :P

Nice fishing, congrats.

hi tanglerat
never cought any B.B.
the gilthead fights like a sea trout just stronger
not realy afish eater myself the few i ate tasted o.k. though bit like bass .

where did u get the b. bream?
from the shore?
thinking of trying a few places around west waterford although ive never heard of any fromthe shore
any tips would be helpful.
art/

Which side of the spit can you catch on? Do you need to go to the end?

Which side of the spit can you catch on? Do you need to go to the end?

hi dave
the seaward side is best start anywhere below the sleepers to the left of the car park there are several hotspots down to the point .
u planing a trip down? the big tides are best/

art/

[Tanglerat]

the gilthead fights like a sea trout just stronger
not realy afish eater myself the few i ate tasted o.k. though bit like bass .

where did u get the b. bream?
from the shore?

BB are superb fighters. I rate them as amongst the best scrappers in our seas. I used to get them in Jersey, when I went there every year with the Croydon Club to boat fish. They'd turn up from time to time on the South Coast of England too. Having returned to Donegal, they and Bass are the two fish I miss most... :(

Sorry I can't help you with tips for finding them around Ireland. But they are mighty tasty! :D

Last edited by Tanglerat on Thu Aug 11, 2005 9:24 am, edited 1 time in total.

We've been picking up the odd black bream down in courtmca for the past 2 years. Very sporadic but some have even been caught very deep into the estuary

Thanks Art,

was down last week and only got a brief chance to fish it. Was lashing rain when I was there and tide was on the way out. More of a recce but am hoping to get down again in the next few weeks

Dave

Thanks Art,

was down last week and only got a brief chance to fish it. Was lashing rain when I was there and tide was on the way out. More of a recce but am hoping to get down again in the next few weeks

Dave

hi dave
pity about last weekend we had good fishing with 38 bass 15 bream inc. the 3lber submitted to theI.F.C.A.
if you do decide to give it i go fish the bigger tides
fishing poor in any east wind s.w. is the best
fish till 1 hour after H.W.
seen 10 lb bass that a kid took while spinning 11/8 niec fish
the next 2 months will see a lot of large bass taken spinning down near the point
let me know how u get on
art/

GHSB appear to have established themselves in Irish waters in recent years. Prior to this, they were regarded as rare. The following articles may be of interest:

Quigley, D.T. (2002) Sea Breams in Irish Waters
Sherkin Comment No. 31: 12

Fahy, E., Green, P. & Quigley, D.T.G. (2005) Juvenile gilthead sea-bream Sparus aurata L. on the south coast of Ireland.
J. Fish Biol. 66(1): 283-289.

GHSB appear to have established themselves in Irish waters in recent years. Prior to this, they were regarded as rare. The following articles may be of interest:

Quigley, D.T. (2002) Sea Breams in Irish Waters
Sherkin Comment No. 31: 12

Fahy, E., Green, P. & Quigley, D.T.G. (2005) Juvenile gilthead sea-bream Sparus aurata L. on the south coast of Ireland.
J. Fish Biol. 66(1): 283-289.

hi rarefish
where are these articles????? on the computer????
was fishing again today with dottie cought 7 bream between us about 1 lb each
do u want a few we could keep them alive in a shrimp pot
ihave some frozen also any use?
art/

Hi Arthur,

The reprints are not available on-line, but I can fax or post them to you if you want.

I'd be grateful if you could possibly keep a record of each GHSB that you catch, recording details such as date, location, method, weight and total length. You could email the details to me as you acquire them.

Best Regards,

Rarefish

Hi Arthur,

The reprints are not available on-line, but I can fax or post them to you if you want.

I'd be grateful if you could possibly keep a record of each GHSB that you catch, recording details such as date, location, method, weight and total length. You could email the details to me as you acquire them.

Best Regards,

Rarefish

hi rarefish
glad to be of help have kept fishing dairy for last 20+years
never seen or heard of bream cought until 5/04 cought 1 2.5lb cought about 50 between may/aug all between 19/22 cm / between 150/200 grams
this year
did not fish area untiljune 25th
JUNE
25 1 bream 260cm/ 500gs.
26 1 same +/- 10%
JULY
21 bream for month all same as above
AUGUST
up to the 22th
22 bream so far
10 between 19/22cm 150/200 gs.
10 260cm/500gs. +/- 10%
1 340cm/ 1k.g.
1 430cm 1.42 k.g
all taken on lug worm
all contained shrimp/ small crabs/oyster seed /mussel seed
all cought on cunnigar beach dureing day
u can catch them almost every time on the big tides
have seen groups of 3lb bream they move fast with the tide they flash and splash like mullet
is the above o.k.?
if not tell me
dottie the guy who cought the big bream got 2 20cm g.h.s on baited mack. feathers on whiting bay Ardmore 3/4 days ago the same beach where the one was cought in 1972
he was fishing clonea cought a fish that he said looked like a g.h, said it had no pink/ no gold bar it was about 20c.m. it was released???
any other way i can help??

Hi Arthur,

The reprints are not available on-line, but I can fax or post them to you if you want.

I'd be grateful if you could possibly keep a record of each GHSB that you catch, recording details such as date, location, method, weight and total length. You could email the details to me as you acquire them.

Best Regards,

Rarefish

hi rarefish
glad to be of help have kept fishing dairy for last 20+years
never seen or heard of bream cought until 5/04 cought 1 2.5lb cought about 50 between may/aug all between 19/22 cm / between 150/200 grams
this year
did not fish area untiljune 25th
JUNE
25 1 bream 260cm/ 500gs.
26 1 same +/- 10%
JULY
21 bream for month all same as above
AUGUST
up to the 22th
22 bream so far
10 between 19/22cm 150/200 gs.
10 260cm/500gs. +/- 10%
1 340cm/ 1k.g.
1 430cm 1.42 k.g
all taken on lug worm
all contained shrimp/ small crabs/oyster seed /mussel seed
all cought on cunnigar beach dureing day
u can catch them almost every time on the big tides
have seen groups of 3lb bream they move fast with the tide they flash and splash like mullet
is the above o.k.?
if not tell me
dottie the guy who cought the big bream got 2 20cm g.h.s on baited mack. feathers on whiting bay Ardmore 3/4 days ago the same beach where the one was cought in 1972
he was fishing clonea cought a fish that he said looked like a g.h, said it had no pink/ no gold bar it was about 20c.m. it was released???
any other way i can help??

pleae e mail to
corinnemcgee@cablesurf.com

Hi Arthur,

The reprints are not available on-line, but I can fax or post them to you if you want.

I'd be grateful if you could possibly keep a record of each GHSB that you catch, recording details such as date, location, method, weight and total length. You could email the details to me as you acquire them.

Best Regards,

Rarefish

hi rarefish
glad to be of help have kept fishing dairy for last 20+years
never seen or heard of bream cought until 5/04 cought 1 2.5lb cought
about 50 between may/aug all between 19/22 cm / between 150/200
grams

this year
did not fish area untiljune 25th
JUNE
25 1 bream 260cm/ 500gs.
26 1 same +/- 10%
JULY
21 bream for month all same as above
AUGUST
up to the 22th
22 bream so far
10 between 19/22cm 150/200 gs.
10 260cm/500gs. +/- 10%
1 340cm/ 1k.g.
1 430cm 1.42 k.g
all taken on lug worm
all contained shrimp/ small crabs/oyster seed /mussel seed
all cought on cunnigar beach dureing day
u can catch them almost every time on the big tides
have seen groups of 3lb bream they move fast with the tide they flash and splash like mullet
is the above o.k.?
if not tell me
dottie the guy who cought the big bream got 2 20cm g.h.s on baited mack. feathers on whiting bay Ardmore 3/4 days ago the same beach where the one was cought in 1972
he was fishing clonea cought a fish that he said looked like a g.h, said it had no pink/ no gold bar it was about 20c.m. it was released???
any other way i can help??

1/9/05 one g.h.s.b. 180 grams 20cm long
cunnigar beach cought on lug.

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only few years late :shock: it gone up several times since, think it will go past 10lb. in next yr. or 2?

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Hard to say where they’ll end up. The EFSA record is a whopping 16.4lb (France). I saw fish close to this in the aquarium in Barcelona (magnification of tanks taken into consideration) there were some huge fish there! The UK record is 9lb odd so I would imagine the Irish weights will certainly approach that.
That said, I hear Rob McClean is lobbying government to have bream protected and the catching of them banned!!!! :D :D

I suppose size will have to do with available feeding. I’d say water temp would have a bearing as well.

I wonder what will happen to the Cork Harbour stock. They got a bit of a hammering last year. As the season progressed there were less bream around but the size was bigger. Who knows what will happen when they return, hopefully they’ll bring buddies!!

Hard to say where they’ll end up. The EFSA record is a whopping 16.4lb (France). I saw fish close to this in the aquarium in Barcelona (magnification of tanks taken into consideration) there were some huge fish there!

I saw those fish too Jim - massive buggers!!
I caught a few different bream species in the harbour there before I got thrown out by the police :oops:

Might drop down to target giltheads specifically this year Arthur rather than the usual bass trip. What time of year do you think would be best to target the big lads?

Hard to say where they’ll end up. The EFSA record is a whopping 16.4lb (France). I saw fish close to this in the aquarium in Barcelona (magnification of tanks taken into consideration) there were some huge fish there!

I saw those fish too Jim - massive buggers!!
I caught a few different bream species in the harbour there before I got thrown out by the police :oops:

Might drop down to target giltheads specifically this year Arthur rather than the usual bass trip. What time of year do you think would be best to target the big lads?

patrick, any time from start of july to mid august. hope to get em this year in march if the weather is mild, had a few last yr. in april.