bar mouth castlerock-co.antrim.friday 15 sept 06

name calling - i hear the mods...

it seems ive met a lot of experts here,again ive broken no laws,all fish were over the limit,and were all returned alive.so why cant folk accept the fact that there was no foul play or wrong doing,why all the sarcasm.im baffled.to be honest you aint no jury and i have comitted no crime..there will be no more information as to marks for bass up north.any anglers who may have appreciated this can now thank the few how like to be smart and clever.jealousy is a terrible thing.....regards

nope i aint been negative just say what im seeing....so where was the secound pic taken?

I assume it was taken in the North. If it was in the South (and they were caught by one person) it would be illegal as they are in your posession, regardless of being dead or alive:

Subject to Article 5 of this Bye-law it is hereby prohibited to take and kill or have in possession more than 2 bass (other than imported bass) in any period of twenty-four hours and such bass which may be taken shall be carefully handled and returned to the water from which they were taken.

it seems ive met a lot of experts here,again ive broken no laws,all fish were over the limit,and were all returned alive.so why cant folk accept the fact that there was no foul play or wrong doing,why all the sarcasm.im baffled.to be honest you aint no jury and i have comitted no crime..there will be no more information as to marks for bass up north.any anglers who may have appreciated this can now thank the few how like to be smart and clever.jealousy is a terrible thing.....regards

Im not going to say if I believe you or not, its not my place. But I think where the lads are coming from is the 4th Bass which definitly looks dead. The give away is the eye. Easiest way to tell.

Removed the personal comment, sorry for that, on a rant at the time.

Just wish people would wise up, if they are going to practise C+R then do it properly. Have seen enough salmon "released" and found them dead an hour later due to improper handling by anglers, do sea anglers somehow think bass are more resilient than salmon??

My earlier point stands, rockpools will only increase stress on fish, not "destress" them. Leaving fish lying on a rock for a photo will cause more stress and physical damage, in addition to the repeated handling required. Any responsible angler who cares about the fish he puts back will inform himself/herself of the proper way to handle and release fish and put it into practice.

you doubters can believe what you like.regards ivan

Im not going to say if I believe you or not, its not my place. But I think where the lads are coming from is the 4th Bass which definitly looks dead. The give away is the eye. Easiest way to tell.

Crumpled pectoral fin and wide open mouth.

But if the man says they were all returned alive, and they were in the North, then I don't think there is anything illegal (wrong :?:) about it.

I still prefer returning the fish as quickly as possible to the sea. I think it would be too risky keeping them in a (probably) warm, (probably) polluted rockpool.

Im not going to say if I believe you or not, its not my place. But I think where the lads are coming from is the 4th Bass which definitly looks dead. The give away is the eye. Easiest way to tell.

Crumpled pectoral fin and wide open mouth.

But if the man says they were all returned alive, and they were in the North, then I don't think there is anything illegal (wrong :?:) about it.

I still prefer returning the fish as quickly as possible to the sea. I think it would be too risky keeping them in a (probably) warm, (probably) polluted rockpool.

I agree....lets give our Bass a chance.
They look just as good alive in a pic as dead and even better when they dart away when you release them..!

its even beter when you say you caught one and couldn't photo it cos you wanted to put it back as quick as possible :D :D

Ivan, No Dount you've found yourself a Gem of a spot there, But maybe a touch of thought could go into that sort of presentation? I mean to say 5 Bass of that Calibre is a great catch, But could you not have Photo'd each fish individually and returned them imediately :? Im not going to jump on the band wagon here and reprimand you for your actions, However you can't deny the 4th fish looks Blatantly Unhealthy.

A great catch yes, Maybe a little more Care in presentation next time.

putting bass in a rock pool is damm cruel...... :evil: :evil:

hey drew,hows it going?id say you are right i could have taken 5 pics,but the thing is that all the fish swam away happy and content no matter what folk might think about the photo.ive killed one bass this year only because it was a specimen of which im happy to have caught and that is my only trophy,not any photo as some have said.i actually have a few great spots for bass and have had some great days,like keeping a specimen and returning the other 10 bass before i got him.having a picture of 5 healthy bass which were all alive dont make me a bad angler and id rather folk would stop going on about it,not meaning you personally.thanking you for your sensible comment ill bid you good day.regards ivan

i am staggered at the blatent jealousy and bitterness on display here the man says all fish were returned alive thats good enough for me.as far as keeping fish in rockpools i know of a few rock marks round the coast that are over three feet deep and big enough to drown a man so a fish could be left to swim and destress for a while.so get off ivans back and i totally agree with him on keeping his marks to himself if he is prepared to put the effort in to find somewhere loaded with bass then he has the right to keep its location to himself

te ariki nua and drew

it was good to see your posts come in

rightly or wrongly this is a forum - meant for discussion

it shouldnt be a barage of one groups set of views rammed down the throat of another

im not here to fight anyones corner - just at times on this site if your not with the majority you get a barrage

rant over

hi bass boy,
just to start off i want to say im not taking sides but i believe you when you say that you returned the fish alive.i dont know why the lads are having problems believing you but i think yous should all give him a chance theres notting wrong with throwing fish back or keeping the odd specimen or two. nice fishing and please post more pics if you get anymore bass cheers
ian

hi there,im very grateful for your comments,there is at least someone out there who see,s this whole matter as i do,the fish were all unharmed and alive,and theres no scales on the rocks to cause any damage to them.the thing is i can nearly be 99.9% certain that ill get a bass or more when i go out fishing,thats not my fault if i can do that,ive put a lot of time into my bass fishing and now im seeing the benefits of my efforts.if people dont like this, its not a problem for me.many thanks for your comments.regards ivan

Having heard from bass boy, I think he's being genuine and the fish were returned. Perhaps that second photo was just a little unfortunate.

How you handle bass invlves a lot of common sense and different circumstances will prevail.

For anyone else interested, there are some useful tips for handling bass here:

http://www.sea-angling-ireland.org/bull ... php?t=5907

and here:

http://www.sea-angling-ireland.org/bull ... php?t=7127

We can always learn something new. I've only recently started being far more careful about how I handle and return bass.

hey ian 123,no problems.im going out again on friday and if i get any,ill send you the pics via pm.dont want another episode like today.regards ivan

Lads, whatever about the whys and wherefores as to how these fish were kept, I dont necessarily agree with it myself, the basic fact remains that the fish were returned. We have no reason to doubt that. At the end of the day there are an awful lot of people out there who would have kept them so credit where its due on the release.

As far as rock pools go, I have dropped the odd pollack into a deep pool on an incoming tide when fishing rock marks. It has been close to or at the waters edge though so they werent in for any great length of time before they could swim away. Theory behind it was to give them a bit of a breather before dropping them into breaking waves etc. However, I can see it being a fair old feat to try and grab a fish from a pool of any size to remove it, not something I would like to do myself.

The law in NI is different from here ('here' meaning Southern Ireland). If you had 5 bass, dead or otherwise in your possesion here, you'd get done. (Well, if the actually enforced anything down here....). There is a bag limit of 2 in your possesion in 24 hours. Posession doesn't differentiate between alive and dead, (as far as I know) - the law just states, 'in your posession', as I remember it.