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Andy

Guys.... this name calling in getting out of hand. I agree that the taking of small fish is not good, but there are far worse things going on in our wonderful sport. A frendly post maybe asking the anger not to take such would be a lot more helpful.

Having met Cortaz, and had the pleasure of his company for a couple of days fishing, I can tell you that he is very involved in the fishing scene in the Dungarvan area and had done a lot of work locally for the local River. He also tries to discourage the local poachers form netting Bass in the area, but this can be dangerous. He took me around some of the best Bass marks in the area and was very generous with the information shared.

Like he mentioned, there is no minimum size for such fish, although I would hope in the future all the smaller sized fish would be returned to get bigger. :wink:

By all means guys..... point a guy in the right direction..... but please lets not drag this excellent forum down to the level we have seen some others forums go.

Tight lines,

Kev

If you read the thread about the 13lb Bass you will see this

spent 5 minutes in the surf trying to get it to swim off but it just wouldn't move. I'd rather eat it than see it washed up next day. I did try to return and was almost beaten up for it too!!!

Andy

a likely story
mayby u need a few lessons on how to do it properly
u dont seem to be any good at it u probaly killed it by bad angliing/handleing
all the fish i let go swim off ok what are u doing wrong
cortazzzz

[rapala]

hi

whats the min. size limit for bream? tHERE IS NONE
cortazzz

Theres no need to shout, we can all understand you pretty fine. I doubt it would make any diference to you if there were.
I think the best thing you can do to help conservation is smoke more fags. A lot more.
lol (but you know what I mean)

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Guys.... this name calling in getting out of hand. I agree that the taking of small fish is not good, but there are far worse things going on in our wonderful sport. A frendly post maybe asking the anger not to take such would be a lot more helpful.

Having met Cortaz, and had the pleasure of his company for a couple of days fishing, I can tell you that he is very involved in the fishing scene in the Dungarvan area and had done a lot of work locally for the local River. He also tries to discourage the local poachers form netting Bass in the area, but this can be dangerous. He took me around some of the best Bass marks in the area and was very generous with the information shared.

Like he mentioned, there is no minimum size for such fish, although I would hope in the future all the smaller sized fish would be returned to get bigger. :wink:

By all means guys..... point a guy in the right direction..... but please lets not drag this excellent forum down to the level we have seen some others forums go.

Tight lines,

Kev

Kev,
I'm not being funny here but I think the "softly softly point the guy in the right direction approach" doesnt work in some cases. Just because this guys shown you a few marks doesnt mean he's a good egg. Anyone who can take tiny fish like that and go to the trouble to set up pictures of them on his own gallery must be a bit odd.
If he's your mate and he's such a good angler then I reckon you should do him a favour and give him some advice on his gallery and tell him how sad he looks with all them dead fish.
What really baffles me tho that someone can alledgedly be active against netters one day then take a load of small fish home for tea the next.
All sounds a bit schizo to me - maybe thats why he changed his name.
Would the real poacher please step forward....

Cortaz,

I'm not looking to be part of a slagging match, but it does annoy me to see a photo like that one shown with pride, your misguided mate!!

What has size limits to do with anything, they are normally put in place when its to late anyways! some of the fish in your photo should never have been kept, they are tiny, to take them for the pot as you state is a joke (not a funny one tho) To use the argument that the fish are not native to your shores is silly too, neither are the Tuna, are you saying they should be classed the same.

I don't know you and its good to hear someone defend you like Mac has, but in all honesty as an angler, you must be able to see why you have upset so many on the forum. I don't think you can justify any of what you say unless your family is starving, I am sure that's not the case :)

Tom.

a likely story
mayby u need a few lessons on how to do it properly
dont seem to be any good at it u probaly killed it by bad angliing/handleing
all the fish i let go swim off ok what are u doing wrong
cortazzzz

My last post on this subject

Is the above directed at me ? , if so I suggest you take it up with the guy that posted it "kstaff" im sure he'll be chuffed to bits with what youve posted :roll:

bream are on the increse around here

Not for long if you keep that up

1 bass out of 40 for the pot and i get slagged off

You got "slagged off" for the pictures of the 9 dead bream and one bass that you posted

the bream are non native may turn out to pests what if they drive out the bass or are carrying some parasite/disease

And your proof of this is? or are you just assuming ?

Bit like your comments on the black diver and seals...kill em all eh cortaz ? its the only way :roll:

I will not respond to any more of your posts ... as this is turning into a flame war.

However if you wish to take this further feel free to pm or email me


Andy

Excellent book. "How to make friends and influence people" Dale Carnegie, American, ancient now, still the salesman's best bible.

It points out that calling people names is unlikely to change underlying attitude in fact more likely to entrench it nor is it likely to produce the desired change.

I'd agree the pictures of small fish are unhelpful.
I'm also stunned at the size of the fish that Cortaz has caught, having thought previously that some of his stories were well fisherman's tales.

What people choose to take home, in the absence of legislation, will always be a personal choice. Cortaz is entitled to his choice as much as anyone else, and if he is fishing in a particularly well stocked area, then what seems exceptional to you and me (a bass in Mayo, :shock: I wish) might be quite unremarkable to local anglers. Context is all important.

We can agree to disagree, people want to step over that boundary whatever the real or perceived provocation, we might as well shut up shop. Anyone who post gratuitously offensive material have been and can continued to be reported to the moderators by pm, and we do act.

Thanks

Kieran,
Very true.
And very diplomatic on your part, well said.
Maybe I'm wrong but even putting the current conservation-aware climate aside, I doubt someone like the poacher could be influenced by anything other than his own rather "fishy"ego.
As well as protecting individuals from personal offence, I think the moderators surely have a duty to protect youngsters and newcomers to the sport from the influence of those who set such a bad example.

Rapala,

I take your point mate, but personally I prefer the softly softly approach as I think, it makes more of a long term impact. All I will say is that the day I was out with Cortaz he caught about 10 - 15 Bass all in the 1 - 2lb range and all were returned straight away without a though. Was that because I was there...... I honestly don't think so..

I have to say that some of those Bream were very impressive, and I think we should focus on that, and "ask" that the small guys be returned to get bigger.

Tight Lines,

Kev

At least this has evolved into a discussion now rather than a slagging match.

Tom I think you picked me up wrong about the "Brit websites", it was not meant to be derogatory or racist. I was referring to certain UK based websites where name calling/personal insults seem to be more accepted by the moderators. I've seen it descend into this on worldseafishing, an excellent site otherwise, a few times. If I caused you offense then I apologise but it was never meant to offend :wink: .

Pete

Rapala,

I take your point mate, but personally I prefer the softly softly approach as I think, it makes more of a long term impact. All I will say is that the day I was out with Cortaz he caught about 10 - 15 Bass all in the 1 - 2lb range and all were returned straight away without a though. Was that because I was there...... I honestly don't think so..

I have to say that some of those Bream were very impressive, and I think we should focus on that, and "ask" that the small guys be returned to get bigger.

Tight Lines,

Kev

Fair play to ya, I'd agree some of them bream were pretty impressive, tho the ones attracting all the attention aren't,...which is kinda sad really init all things considered.
Generally speaking I think the softly approach is the best aswell, just that some of us will often go off on one when we see stuff like that.
At least on this hijacked thread he has had a "mixed bag" response which maybe is more healthier than just a load of pacification and gentle persuation?
I think the message has gone out anyway, and if it hasn't hit home then atleast attempts of both types have been made, and its up to those that know and fish with him try to apply a bit of savvy.
R

hi all
i only answered lumpys question not5hing wrong with that is there
90%+ of all fish released VOLUNTARILY nothing wrong with that

i have lots of photos of bream.
and bass to almost 20lbs
shoud i put these in my gallary

are all anglers not equal .
cortazzz
the best bream ANGLER in the country.

he was called a poacher

Poacher was actually this guys user name before he changed it to Cortaz..... Nuff said I think.

u cant even tell your wife the truth lol

Pete,

Not a problem :)

I would be offended if you called me a Brit :lol: :lol: :lol: I'm English with a bit of Irish thrown in 8)

I think Kieran made the point best, some of us don't use words as well as he does....now I'll get accused of sucking up to him :oops:


Tom.

u cant even tell your wife the truth lol

2 words man....Go away...

u cant even tell your wife the truth lol

2 words man....Go away...

why
because i catch bigger/better fish than u cant be any other reason u are the green eyed monster man
u got to be able to catch fish to release them bet u dont ever catch much all lip and equip. i bet
so why dont u go away and let the fishing to the real anglers
cortazzzz

Fairly sure if I had the same amount of time on my hands as you, as I seem to recall another of your posts proclaiming you had never done a days work in your life, then I too could be filling my kitchen floor in the same manner as yourself. Jealousy doesnt even come into it man, I enjoy my fishing as much as any man, its quality for me not quantity.

Im curious to know what you mean in relation to your comment about leaving fishing to real anglers? What constitutes a real angler? For me I love all aspects of the sport, from the cameraderie, the scenery, the kick you get from the first cast on a brand new reel, the pleasure of noseying around tackle shops chewing the fat and yeah, the thrill of pulling in fish... At the end of the day Cortaz, its not all about filling boxes of fish is it?

bet u dont ever catch much all lip and equip

Lets not make assumptions, whether or not I have a pile of gear doesnt detract from anything, it makes me no better or worse an angler. Fact of the matter is gathering gear is a part of the sport I enjoy...whats wrong with that?

As for the all lip remark, well you are entitled to your own opinion as I am mine. The "go away" statement that was made is purely an expression of my own opinion in as polite a way as i could possibly have put it.

I do not wish this conversation to go on any further on this forum and I will not be responding to any further posts from yourself relating to myself, if you have anything (intelligent) further you wish to say to me please do so via PM.

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