Raider 18

Wed Dec 19, 2007 7:20 pm

Hopfully going to invest in my own boat early next year, looked at both raider 18 and warrior but slighlty in favour of raider at the min because of price.any comments/ advice appreciated.

Thanks.

Raider

Wed Dec 19, 2007 8:16 pm

Hi , cant comment on the 18 but the 16 is a belter . you thinking of the fisherman or the cuddy version ???

Andy

Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:01 pm

dunno nt sure, but like the look of the fisherman version. looks to have good fishing space and nice cabin

Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:38 pm

Hi Brackley,

Welcome to the forum.

There is extensive reviews of both boats here

http://www.fishing-boats.info/

click on 'Boats over 15ft to 19ft' link.

Hope it helps.

Cheers,
Trev

Wed Dec 19, 2007 10:18 pm

hi brackley.

you could ask Luke scully [ aka] the dirty fecker.

he bought one last year and sings there praises.
think he got his for the very same reasons you have.
good luck with your choice. :wink:

Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:22 am

I don't think there is a better trailerable boat in terms of purchase price, performance and running costs (based on my Raider 16 experiences - http://www.boat-angling-ireland.com/Radier_16_Cuddy).

See Luke's review here: http://www.boat-angling-ireland.com/Raider_18_Cuddy

Raider 18

Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:43 am

Hi there,
I have the Raider 18 Cuddy version. All in all the Raider is an excellent boat. You could do a hell of a lot worse. In my opinion a lot of nonsense is written about many small boats that usually simply comes down to ego. We all like our little boats and often consider them great when in reality that fact is simply based on what we have ACTUALLY experienced! In a nutshell the Raider is a high performance craft that is at an afordable price. It has many things going for it. In my opinon first and foremost this is fuel economy. I have recorded a round trip of 50 mile on the GPS which i done on a single 25L tank of petrol. This was in a flat calm sea but even still for those not in the know, this is mind blowing fuel economy on an 18ft boat. This was keeping to 23mph which is still a respectable speed with an 80hp four stroke engine.

Another big plus with the raider is the height of the gunnels. At 3 ft and a grab rail all round and also grab spots all over the boat this makes for a boat you would find very hard to fall out of. You feel very secure in a rolling sea inside a raider. when being thussled about there is always something to grab onto no matter where you throw your hand. This is something i particularly like about the boat.

The Raider is also a pretty stable boat as far as lean is concerned. She will lean if you put enough weight on one side like all boats will but in a normal balanced situation, two anglers can stand on one side without the boat leaning over. if this is done up at the helm position for whatever reason she will lean but will stop deada nd then lean no more. this is the only situation in which the boat leans really which is a big plus.

The Raider also has a very big deck area for fishing which if you normally just fish with one companion makes for a complete dream as far as space is concerned. real luxury. When it comes to to performance in choppy water the raider is very good and rarely slams. Compared with some of the seahogs on the market it certainly performs a lot better. with towing in mind i use a 4x4 but we spent the first year with the boat towing and launching her with a buddies 2L diesel Mondeo. This was a little dodgy on some slips but for the most part worked fine.

One of the design features Raider harp on about is that the boat is made from a different type of fibreglass matting that flexes more and absorbs shock better than standard materials. I don't know how much of this is true but the boat hull certainly flexes a bit and the hull slap of big waves is evident. I'm still undecided as to wether this is a good or a bad thing? Certainly if what they say is true then it is to be expected.

The Raider is an unsinkable craft. The hull apparently is split into chambers between the suport struts that are sealed with air inside. This means should the boat be holed than only one chamber is burst and the boat will still float. Some boats use bouyant foam which can lead to trouble if water gets into the hull. The foam can become water logged and when it freezes in winter can cause expansion problems all of its own...

When compared with the Warrior 175 there are a number of points that should be considered. I have not been out in a 175 but do know a couple of anglers that have one and by all accounts it is a heavy boat. It is also what most consider to be the best small angling cuddy boat. The difference between them is that when the sea gets really rough the 175 will plough through it banging and jumping but will still manage it at full throttle. The raider will manage it too but you will slow her down as you would a warrior 165 in the same sea. This obviously paints the 175 in a very good light when thinking of heading 30 miles out.

On the flip side what also needs to be considered is that the 175 is a much heavier boat and requires a 4x4 end of story. It also costs €10,000 more than the Raider. The deck area is slightly smaller and the fuel econmy is not near as good. This is a major factor if you already are shelling out big bucks to run a 4x4 for every day use and then have to run a boat that is heavyish on juice.

It really is down to what you can afford and how seriously you take your fishing. The Raider 18 is an excellent craft and performs exceptionally for a large small boat. It will out perform many of the craft that are available on the current market its performance in chop really is very good.and on par with the warrior 165. The Warrior 175 however is exceptional by the accounts i am told by those who own them.

All in all i am very happy with the Raider. It has so far been nothing but a pleasure and been well able for the fishing i do. I do not know how much faith i put in any manufacturers claims about anything so i am not going to pretend to back these up. It is worth mentioning though that the Raider was origionally designed and built by Raider themselves until the owner died and was then bought out by John Nicholson who origionally provided the trailers for the craft. The boats have since started to be manufactured in Poland instead of the UK. This has lead some to believe they are not of the same quality they once were as costs have been cut. I would argue that since the boat was origionally designed by a good boat builder that it is unlikely John (A trailer manufacturer) would mess around with a winning design. There is far too much to lose in an industry based on reputation. Manufacturing the boats in Poland simply makes economical sense. Having said that Warrior seem to have a reputation that is unsurpassed and produce a craft that is a lot more expensive but seem to spare no expense to produce a very high quality standard. Warrior it seems sell their boats with all the high quality fiittings fitted already. It seems to be their marketing strategy. With this in mind it makes sense to me that Raiderhave found their niche in the market just under the Warrior 175 that will suit those of us out there that don't have the money to splash out on a 175 first time round.

Hope this helps a bit.
Last edited by The Dirty Fecker on Thu Dec 20, 2007 1:19 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:19 pm

plus they look cool :D

Fri Dec 21, 2007 2:55 am

Brackley, Are you going to tow this boat? Is this your first boat?

The reason i ask is that an 18 footer is a big boat to be towing.

Fri Dec 21, 2007 10:05 am

my mate has a 18 fisherman with 100hp outboard not that i do loads of boatfishing compared to beach but i must admitt she is a dream to fish out of and very steady at speed one thing to remember is on a breezy day she catches a lot of wind and this can make putting her back on the trailer a bit difficult if you are short of helpers and yes it is very impressive looking as far as 18 footers go
dodger

Fri Dec 21, 2007 10:49 am

The fisherman version is known to catch the wind alright due to the high roof of the cabin. The cuddy however catches the wind no more than any other cuddy boat :wink:

Sat Dec 22, 2007 7:38 pm

Thanks for all replies. Yes this will be my first boat, live in west cavan so will be towing to donegal most of the time. have a van to tow with so not a problem. Any more comments on the cuddy version v fisherman? Thanks

Sat Dec 22, 2007 11:28 pm

I used to get that flexing in the floor on the Fastliner Luke when going through a chop, I did find it a bit worrying but like you say not sure if it meant much, I must say though the 165 is rock solid, no movement anywhere, does just give you a bit more confidence when you get a bit of air :lol:

Sun Dec 23, 2007 5:41 pm

I think the same 80hp four stroker on a raider may do even better fuel economy than a raider at similar speeds.

Sat Dec 29, 2007 8:29 pm

Above should read:
I think the same 80hp four stroker on a warrior may do even better fuel economy than a raider at similar speeds

Sat Dec 29, 2007 10:00 pm

Brian Edwards wrote:Above should read:
I think the same 80hp four stroker on a warrior may do even better fuel economy than a raider at similar speeds


I don't know what you base this conclusion from, but theoretically, this doesn't really add up; the raider 16 cuddy is around 100kg lighter than the Warrior 165, and the 18 cuddy 380 kg lighter than a 175. Apart from the weight difference, the Raider gull wing design looks as if it cuts through the water more easily. Furthermore, real-life fuel consumption figures by both Warrior and Raider users favour the latter.

raider

Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:03 pm

hi i have a shetland alaska 5m its very much the same as the raider the alaska is the best in its class ive been in some bad conditions with it but it handles the sea very well always felt safe in it.its up for sale now as ive just bought a quicksilver.if you want to see it just reply ,its fully loaded with f/f ,vhf bilge pump lights a 4 year old 25hp 4 stroke galv trailer and much more,still in its orig gel coat

Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:20 pm

brackley wrote:Thanks for all replies. Yes this will be my first boat, live in west cavan so will be towing to donegal most of the time. have a van to tow with so not a problem. Any more comments on the cuddy version v fisherman? Thanks


The 18 fisherman is more front heavy than the cuddy. This might possibly make it an even better boat for wave penatration than the cuddy version. On the down side, the large cabin/cuddy is reported to cause problems while drifting in stiff winds turning the boat around . This can be overcome with a drouge anchor but might also be over emphasised. I would have to experience it to actually give a propper comment. The larger cuddy would be very comfy while fishing at anchor being able to stand in out of the wind or even rain while watching your rods or while drift fishing. The cuddy version ends up with what looks like more deck space but in actual fact if you look at where the seats are positioned on both boats you will see there is not a huge difference. The cuddy version does have a very large deck area though. If you fish 3 or sometimes even 4 you will get away with it on the cuddy version without constantly being in each others way. This is great but speaking from my personal use it is seldom we fish with more than two of us and that is when it is really special as we have achors of room which is real luxury fishing aboard a Raider. Something which also is worth noteing is that the Fisherman versions roof coupled with an A frame could easily acomadate a radar dome at a decent height. Radar is a subject that most small boat owners avoid due to cancer causing radiation. Domes are just set far too low on small boats. On the Fisheman model it could be mounted as high as some charter boats are.

Really its horses for courses. I too questioned which model i should go for and in the end chose the cuddy version as the deck size was just to alluring. That was a big plus for me. Sometimes i wonder should i have gone for the comfort factor of the bigger cabin. Other times i wonder had i would i be wondering should i have went for the bigger deck? I'm happy with my choice though.

Mon Jan 07, 2008 8:07 pm

Thanks for advice Dirty Fecker,
made my mind up today and put a deposit on the cuddy version so cant wait! Have to gather up a few euros now

Thanks again

Tue Jan 08, 2008 3:32 pm

Best of luck with it. I have my boat fully kitted out now to the way i want it so if you want some pictures to give you ideas just give me a shout ok?