Mother nature does a spot of conservation...

A spokesman for Met Eireann’s marine unit said the spell of storminess falls within the variability of the Irish winter climate, and is not necessarily a result of climate change. :? :?

What planet is he on ???? too much Christmas vino I think..Lazy :lol:

A spokesman for Met Eireann’s marine unit said the spell of storminess falls within the variability of the Irish winter climate, and is not necessarily a result of climate change. :? :?

Well he could be right! Have you got some data to suggest otherwise?

See

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 40,00.html

Fishermen are missing out on the prime mackerel season off the Irish coast. It is now expected that quotas for herring, mackerel, hake and monkfish will not be fulfilled. There is a huge seasonal market for fish in Spain, where people prefer hake or cod to turkey, and consequently it is sold at its highest price.

“The mackerel fishery is at its peak but even the extremely large fishing vessels from Killybegs aren’t able to cope,” Flannery said. “The weather is good news for the fish stocks around the coast, however. You could say it’s mother nature carrying out her own conservation work.”

the above will probably be used as a barganing tool to rape even more next year

the idea that mother nature will regulate herself - by having continuous storms - laughable wishful thinking - again passing the buck - and not counting any data

Well he could be right! Have you got some data to suggest otherwise?[/quote]

I am no scientist and don't claim to be one but it doesn't take an Einstein to work out that our climate has been steadily changing and that our seas are becoming warmer.To say that the storms around Ireland have nothing to do with climate change I think is plain ignorance..Lazy :?

Well he could be right! Have you got some data to suggest otherwise?

I am no scientist and don't claim to be one but it doesn't take an Einstein to work out that our climate has been steadily changing and that our seas are becoming warmer.To say that the storms around Ireland have nothing to do with climate change I think is plain ignorance..Lazy :?

So you are saying the scientists in the met office are ignorant?

“The mackerel fishery is at its peak but even the extremely large fishing vessels from Killybegs aren’t able to cope,” Flannery said. “The weather is good news for the fish stocks around the coast, however. You could say it’s mother nature carrying out her own conservation work.”

the idea that mother nature will regulate herself - by having continuous storms - laughable wishful thinking - again passing the buck - and not counting any data

Maybe someone needs to chill a bit... it was a casual remark about nature causing a temporary interruption to fishing by throwing a few storms our way, not some statement on how we can rely on nature to cover our excesses.
The guy involved is actually one of the most pro-conservation fisheries people in the country and has done more than anyone to protect inshore coastal waters and juvenile fish stocks in Kerry's coastal waters.

Lighten up folks, not every quote has to be replied to with an anti-commercial rant....

Worry not that the climate is changing, because it is and will always continue to do so. You are only here for the short term. Ok, do your bit to limit greenhouse gasses and try personally not to mess the planet up. After that, leave it to nature.

Our current understanding of the long-term climate cycles shows that for the past 800,000 years, periods of approximately 100,000 years’ duration, called Ice Ages, have been interrupted by periods of approximately 10,000 years, known as Interglacials. (We are now about 10,500 years into the present Interglacial.)

http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/a ... e_Age.html

so we should be heading for another ice age regardless of global warming...
change is inevitable... even in our lifetime

Well he could be right! Have you got some data to suggest otherwise?

I am no scientist and don't claim to be one but it doesn't take an Einstein to work out that our climate has been steadily changing and that our seas are becoming warmer.To say that the storms around Ireland have nothing to do with climate change I think is plain ignorance..Lazy :?

So you are saying the scientists in the met office are ignorant?

If they are saying that the recent storms /weather patterns have nothing to do with climate change???? yes I am....The governments of the world have only woke up to the fact that our climate is changing. To put a final word on it as sandman says are world has been changing from day one to and fro. I truly believe we are witnessing in our decade one of those dramatic changes

Read what he said again. He said " said the spell of storminess falls within the variability of the Irish winter climate, and is not necessarily a result of climate change"

A spell of stormy weather is not proof of, nor necessarily a result of, climate change.

[quote]Well he could be right! Have you got some data to suggest otherwise?

I am no scientist and don't claim to be one but it doesn't take an Einstein to work out that our climate has been steadily changing and that our seas are becoming warmer.To say that the storms around Ireland have nothing to do with climate change I think is plain ignorance..Lazy :?

So you are saying the scientists in the met office are ignorant?

If they are saying that the recent storms /weather patterns have nothing to do with climate change???? yes I am....The governments of the world have only woke up to the fact that our climate is changing. To put a final word on it as sandman says are world has been changing from day one to and fro. I truly believe we are witnessing in our decade one of those dramatic changes[/quote]

You'be both got a point lads. Lazy, it does seem like we are experiencing rapid change, I'm just looking out the window at trees being nearly blown over, and this is at least the 30th day in a row that we've had some rain. Looking out the other window, the river is higher than anyone here can remember in the last 20 years.
But jd is right too, climatology is measured in longer terms, over decades, and we've only been measuring weather properly for the last 40 years or so. There are always spells of stormy weather, some years more than others, and I wouldn't be surprised if we've had a spell as bad as this before. Until the scientists have longer term data they can't say for sure that the current bad weather is caused by climate change.

Climate change is definitely happening, but whether it can be linked yet to increased storm events is not statistically measurable.

Last word - scientists are always cautious with their results, always wanting to get more date to confirm, but I'd rather listen to them than George Bush...... :roll:

not necessarily [/b]a result of climate change

I suppose he did not say that it was or wasn't climate change

My total point is that you can not dismiss the fact of climate change
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/ha ... index.html


Lazy

people - two arguments here

1. climate change is happening full stop - the rates of change recorded by scientists worldwide are happening at a far greater rate than ever before - whether you look at ice core data for 300,000 years or tree ring data up to 10,000 years

the question here essientially is the current bout of storms part of this climate change - or just a normal peak of bad weather in a 50 year oscillation of climate on this outcrop of rock - ireland

and true to answer if this pattern is over and above normal - some more data for another decade or so will be needed to get to grips with that

2. the throw away remark re mother nature taking care of herself - is not very constructive - because it alludes to the resilience or impression of it in mother nature - mother nature is taking a hamering and is incapable in these small time frames that us humans comprehend in of taking care of itself vs. the fishing industry/pollution etc. - if the guy is pro conservation - he shouldnt put out comments like this - as i said before that will be used against his conservation

how many of the normal joe soaps who hear this will think - the fisheries are fighting back themselves

great debate opened up here

thats true - i think it has been mild for most of autumn

Hmmm :? a spokeswoman from met office has just been on radio ulster saying that it has been the hottest year on record for over 300 years and the trend seems to be it is getting hotter. :roll: :roll: Lazy

Hmmm :? a spokeswoman from met office has just been on radio ulster saying that it has been the hottest year on record for over 300 years and the trend seems to be it is getting hotter. :roll: :roll: Lazy

hottest year on record for over 300 years???
but 300yrs ago there was no such thing as global warming was there..

the industrial revolution hadn't even begun at that stage.. so why would it have been so hot back then.. oh wait.. was it just a regular fluctuation in climate ???

i suppose the met office statement needs to be elaborated or at least clarified as in - thats all the data we have - or compared to other data sets etc. etc.

without question the last few years have been hotter :!:

I find that very interesting sandman (nice one) I think the bigger question would be is the gulf stream steadily shifting and if so how fast and what would the consequences be...Lazy

Simple, If the Gulf Stream were to move, due to climate change, or other factors, Our Ecology would surely change with it. Many blame overfishing for the Lack of Cod Stocks around the UK, However, could it be that the water temperature has simply just changed enough to cause the fish to move on? Who knows, this could be the reason why there's sailfish being Caught in the North Sea? :?

... Who knows, this could be the reason why there's sailfish being Caught in the North Sea? :?

There are? :shock: :shock:

There was a report a couple of Months Back of a Sailfish being caught in the North Sea, In nets mind....