Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:09 pm
Was out for a cycle yesterday ....trying to let on that I am young and definitely not fooling myself ! On way back from Youghal to sunny Ardmore spotted a seriously large trawler up near old Youghal bridge.Reckon it was 50-60ft long

Hadn't got my glasses and so could not see it's detail's. Tried to take pics with iPhone.
Youghal 3.jpg
Sorry about quality
They seemed to be either lifting a net or 2 huge crab pots.
Was chatting to some of the lads in pub last night and they say this boat is there on a daily basis.
Anybody know what this boat is doing
If they are netting that is a disaster. If they are crabbing there will be nothing left to bring in the cod. What will the founders feed on?
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Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:20 pm
There farming/collecting mussels. There always in the same spots where the beds are.
Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:21 pm
next time you see that,,when you go home link in to link below and you might get details
http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/
Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:26 pm
Looks like a mussel dredger to me.
Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:28 pm
even worse for the cod if it is
jd wrote:Looks like a mussel dredger to me.
Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:31 pm
Hi Stan,
The Boat is the credon lady, she is actually around 100 ft long and she is up from Dunmore , they are dredging mussels and seem to be doing it now every day , they have the harbour destroyed . The fishery board boarded him last week trying to stop him and he was able to produce a letter from the duke giving him permission . Its a disgrace that in this day the the duke has the fishing rights in this country and also that the skipper of a 100ft beam trawler would come in to 20ft of water dredging mussels. The fishing is absolutly f**ked from the bridge down , I've been out three times in the last week and got no fish between the bridge and the ferrypoint.
Kieran
Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:45 pm
The duke has the fishery rights in tidal waters
Interview with him here
http://www.rte.ie/radio1/doconone/blackwater.html(I haven't listened yet myself)
Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:46 pm
I have my doubts. They were just about in the channel. I thought that the duke had salmon rights. Does he own the whole river? Can anybody do what they want on the river?
Has anybody inspected this boat to see what they have on board?
Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:57 pm
From my link
The estate now consists of Lismore Castle, thousands of acres of land and the fishing rights to two thirds of the tidal water of the Blackwater (approx 12 miles) and a range of other fishing rights.
Legal controversy over the fishing rights to the river date back to the 19th Century.
The Duke maintains all his historical rights which include those of Youghal Harbour; these are contested by the local council. There are a range of communities along the river who have historically depended on it for a living.
Sun Feb 24, 2013 11:10 pm
I often wonder am I living in the real world.I thought that Ireland was a democracy.....for the people by the people!!!!
I think all local commercial fishermen had to pay a license to the duke. What did he do for this?
What is he gaining from this 100ft boat raping the Ypughal estuary?
What are our fisheries doing about this? What is Simon Coveney doing to protect our fish? Sorry I should not blame him.... we need a voice for anglers
Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:29 am
Owning rights on a river (baffling to me anyway) is another topic in a different forum however, how can anyone other than the state own or have rights to tidal waters or the foreshore? Ridiculous, boat activities like this in an estuarine environment need to be addressed.
Mon Feb 25, 2013 3:42 am
The duke owns the rights to the river bed, i think from ferrypoint, up the river.
Youghal makes nothing from this.
This boat has seeded mussels on both sides of the estuary. This has resulted in a change of topography. At low water you can see some of the mussel beds close to the slob bank. On the ferrypoint side you can see the mussel beds every tide. Several boats have been grounded due to the change in topography - the usual channel they would return in has been raised or shifted.
The fishing has turned very poor.
This has been going on for a few years now.
The local council say they can do nothing about.
I dont know if the local ministers have been contacted, but seeing as there has been a huge hole in the wall along the lighthouse hill for roughly 8 months, and they just gave the funding to repair that about a month ago, i dont think Youghal is a big priority.
Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:35 am
kieranring wrote:Hi Stan,
The Boat is the credon lady, she is actually around 100 ft long and she is up from Dunmore , they are dredging mussels and seem to be doing it now every day , they have the harbour destroyed . The fishery board boarded him last week trying to stop him and he was able to produce a letter from the duke giving him permission . Its a disgrace that in this day the the duke has the fishing rights in this country and also that the skipper of a 100ft beam trawler would come in to 20ft of water dredging mussels. The fishing is absolutly f**ked from the bridge down , I've been out three times in the last week and got no fish between the bridge and the ferrypoint.
Kieran
So he finally produced the famous almost legendary "letter" from the duke,absolute disgrace that this chap has been allowed single handedly have the run of youghal harbour giving a big v sign to any other users.Maybe time to bombard the duke of devonshire with the same vigour that we all showed on the reopening of commercial bass fishing battle.
I wonder how the trawler people in youghal feel that their backyard is unavailable to fish as this one individual "owns" the rights to bugger the entire ecosystem for everyone,maybe a joining of forces might get bigger attention.
Surely any approach from fishery personal or government officials to the "duke" can't go unnoticed or could it.
Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:34 pm
That is a terrible sight! maybe thats why the cod run wasnt great this year.... but speaking of angler's having a voice, this was issued from the anglers trust in the UK concerning the CFP
ISSUED BY THE ANGLING TRUST
Angling Organisations across Europe survived a tense vote by MEPs on reform of the Common Fisheries Policy (CFP) yesterday after it became apparent that Europe’s Greens were attempting to block the inclusion of “recreational fishing opportunities” from the final resolution.
In the end the reference was included when the Parliament voted by 502 to 137 in favour of sweeping reforms of the Common Fisheries Policy which will see, amongst other measures; an end to discarding of fish; a move to restoring depleted stocks and harvesting fish at maximum sustainable yield (the maximum amount of fish that can be harvested without depleting the stock) by 2015; more long term management plans which will hopefully end the political horse trading that takes place in Brussels every December as Ministers ignore the scientific advice on how much can be harvested sustainably.
European anglers have been lobbying hard over recent years for recreational fishing to be recognised with specific reference in the reformed CFP after being invisible stakeholders in Europe’s fisheries policy ever since its introduction in 1983.
More recently recreational fishing has come under the spotlight for the perceived impact it has on commercial fishing opportunities without considering the huge socio-economic contribution recreational fishing (angling) makes to Europe and its extremely low environmental impact.
Late last year anglers’ efforts were rewarded when the European Parliament´s Fisheries Committee included an amendment to the basic regulation text which would mean that the reformed CFP ensures that fishing activities are managed in a way that contributes to recreational fishing opportunities.
Jan Kappel, Secretary General of the European Anglers Alliance (EAA), representing approximately three million affiliated members across Europe, said, “I would like to congratulate all 502 MEPs who voted in favour of the final text. There will now be tough negotiations with the Council (the Member States) who will try and water down the reform measures voted through by the parliament. The explicit mention of recreational fishing in the CFP is great news. We expect the Council and Commission to accept the parliament´s opinion on this issue. Recreational fishers, like commercial fishers, are stakeholders in European fish stocks generating jobs and money. In many coastal areas recreational sea angling is by far the most important segment of the fisheries sector.”
Mike Heylin, Chairman of EAA’s Sea Sub-Group said, “Finally we have recognition of the needs of recreational anglers within the Common Fisheries Policy; that will mean that stocks have to be managed to suit anglers as well as commercial fishing. This is very welcome. New threats to recreational sea anglers´ access and their right to fishing are just around the corner. Recreational sea angling probably won’t be treated fairly without this clear mention in the CFP as suggested by the parliament. I’ll urge the Council to do as the parliament did, give recreational fishing an explicit mention in the CFP's Article 2.”
http://www.anglingtrust.netRead more at
http://www.worldseafishing.com/news/rec ... v4bHBVd.99
Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:43 pm
Was listening to Bob Geldof on the radio the other day and he described Ireland as a "banana republic". Am beginning to think that he is right.
With the exception of some 3rd world countries I do not believe that this plundering of Youghal would be allowed go on in any other country
Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:08 pm
This year is the worst,his there all the time now..
Gavin from Seahunter said he ripped up moorings last year with out a care in the world ..
Youghal will never be the same again..
As for the ais traffic site he doesn't appear on this at all!!
Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:22 pm
Have checked all out and this boat placed seed mussels in the estuary. The mussels are now being harvested.
Bit of problem. We can't blame the skipper. He followed the rules. The DUKE gave him permission.
So who is the blame??
Im going to be a pain in the ass and say that we as anglers are. One of the best cod/flounder fisheries in the country is being destroyed legally.
Any suggestions as to how as anglers can have a say in this
Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:21 pm
That trawler was tied up on the carpets quay wall last time I was down about 4 weeks ago and I heard that he landed 40 boxes of cod aswell form a local

No wonder the fishing was slow.
Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:24 pm
Tue Feb 26, 2013 6:01 pm
Welcome to the real world guys, sad but true, a minority can f##k it up for the majority because it brings home a wage.
The sad part is that if Ireland's inshore marine resource was managed correctly we could have multiple sustainable wage opportunities.
With regard to Donal's post refering to the European Angler's Alliance, recreational sea angling being referenced in the "reformed CFP" doesn't go half far enough, there needs to be a representative at the table, alongside repreresentatives for tourism and sea food consumer interests.
Relative to this thread read Ed Fahy's "Overkill", it explains everything.
Bob Geldoff is still right, we do live in a banana republic, although I would question the use of the word "Republic", for that is "people for the people by the people", an aspiration that DeValera made sure would never happen, hence a mussel dredger works away in Youghal safe in the knowledge that they will not and cannot be challenged.
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