Shore Team selection.

What do peole think of the selection process for our shore team for the world championships? Are they fine as they are or should we be selecting the team taking the venues, species and tactics into account, i.e. you can select the team to suit the style of fishing needed for the championships. Personaly I think our selection proccess is very good and brings the cream of talent to the top, but with other countries able to select their teams depending on who suits the fishing on offer best, are we at a disadvantage with our system?

the world championship team selcetion is fine, the pool sytem will start to produce good teams as more knowledge is passed on from team to team. it will take time but its definitley the way forawrd. i dont believe the winner of the master angler should automaticaly make the team, we got away with it this year. j.p molloy is certainly no joke but its is possible for jerry bob o'hoolanhan to make the team by fluking a win at the masters, the chances of fluking another top 5 at the fish off's is unlikely.

the home international selection is a joke though. to make the team you can either fish the leinster closed, which is a one day comp, anyone can fluke this and get the green blazer. you can also try the jimmy smith, once again another one day comp and fluke this. could also fish the connacht closed gold which isnt anywhere as nearly competitive as the munster or leinster league. ulster is slightly more competitive and has a better pool of talented and experienced anlgers but once again i dont think its of the aulity of the munster and leinster leagues. munster's is the best but its on its own. the system for selection is so fragmented its beyond a joke.

we have the talent and experience to make a several world class teams, we should certainly be more competitive at home international level. sadly the cream of the crop will never be on a colletive team if things don't change.

as each of the provincial councils finance the home nations team i think that it is only fair that each of them has a representitive on the home nations team..
i know our closed gold is run over 3 legs at present, and this may increase in the future..
and to be fair, i think we do ok at home nations level considering..

at the end of the day, people will have different opinions on teams down to a few things.... those who are in it to win it....they will want selection or similar.
those who take it less seriously but still deserve a chance to make a team (at the end of the day it must be kept in mind that there are more members of the federation minded like this) will favour provincial qualifiers or top 5 from a masters etc..

it will be an endless argument..

you will find that some of the 'top anglers' arent so keen to share experience and tips etc to those less experienced as well on teams, therefore not giving them the same chance to be up there with them, ie some anglers are more individually driven than team players..

im not a fan of the pool system myself as to be honest i think it adds to the cost of making a team, especially when we are in a time of recession. also, have world shore results improved for the irish team since it was introduced or were teams higher placed with anglers in the top 5 of the masters making up the team?

I reckon the team we are sending to the world championships is a cracking one and shows that the master's and fish off's are starting to work, Mark Beatty and Timmy O'Sullivan making it again having been on the team very recently is great. The Home nations selection i think is crap though I think the provincial element should be taken out of it and we would see instant improvements.

I reckon the team we are sending to the world championships is a cracking one and shows that the master's and fish off's are starting to work, Mark Beatty and Timmy O'Sullivan making it again having been on the team very recently is great. The Home nations selection i think is crap though I think the provincial element should be taken out of it and we would see instant improvements.

not forgetting john o'brian who has done a good bit of fishing in africa, this knowledge will prove invaluable.

if you take the provincial element out of it, how do you suggest the home nations team is then funded? you cant expect provincial councils to 1/4 fund it each if they arent certain of having a representitive on it..

if you take the provincial element out of it, how do you suggest the home nations team is then funded? you cant expect provincial councils to 1/4 fund it each if they arent certain of having a representitive on it..

phil, the funding is fairly menial too be honest. currently it still costs the angler a fair bit too travel.

if you take the provincial element out of it, how do you suggest the home nations team is then funded? you cant expect provincial councils to 1/4 fund it each if they arent certain of having a representitive on it..

Why not? Its an International team should we not try send the best?

well, each to their own, but i think that if this carry on over team selection processes etc continues to dominate affairs in the federation that it will be very detrimental to the federation. everyone goes on about sending the best teams away... is winning all that people care about? i thought it was the taking part, and giving each member of the federation an equal opportunty of making these teams to take part.

the last time i checked the welsh and scottish teams are not hand picked for home nations either but fish quaifying competitions.in essence we do this to, but on a provincial basis, perhaps this can continue, but to keep everyone happy each province fish the same qualifing system (eg league of 6 legs or whatever), that way u get the best consistent angler from each province each year.
anything stopping the jimmy smith being fished over a weekend/3 legs?

if you take the provincial element out of it, how do you suggest the home nations team is then funded? you cant expect provincial councils to 1/4 fund it each if they arent certain of having a representitive on it..

phil, the funding is fairly menial too be honest. currently it still costs the angler a fair bit too travel.

i know you have been on home nations before as well eric, to be honest it costs the angler little compared to what it would cost if the provincial councils didnt fund it...

well, each to their own, but i think that if this carry on over team selection processes etc continues to dominate affairs in the federation that it will be very detrimental to the federation. everyone goes on about sending the best teams away... is winning all that people care about? i thought it was the taking part, and giving each member of the federation an equal opportunty of making these teams to take part.

the last time i checked the welsh and scottish teams are not hand picked for home nations either but fish quaifying competitions.in essence we do this to, but on a provincial basis, perhaps this can continue, but to keep everyone happy each province fish the same qualifing system (eg league of 6 legs or whatever), that way u get the best consistent angler from each province each year.
anything stopping the jimmy smith being fished over a weekend/3 legs?

phil i dont want a c.v/ handpicked system either. i think the youth setup is perfect, and would suit everyone. top five from each provincial league compete over a weekend similar to the fish off's, top five make the team.