Get on This Mob

a vegan diet lacks protein that's why a majority of these people are very thin and lean, I myself don't eat beef ( don't like the taste) but eat chicken, fish and love a bacon butty and I am a big lad so on a beach at midnight I may come out the victor. But back to my point man has evolved to hunt and gather food and without some form of subsitute will evolve and these people IMHO have substituted meat for hunting us poor fellows who have a different opinion. There is a saying were I come from and that is " opinions are like backsides(edited) everyone has one, just don't ram your down my throat".

I saw this web site about 5 years ago and it still looks the same . remember that these people have a point of view that cannot and will not be changed. (these are the same people that stole a old woman's corpse from a grave a while back over hamster farming) I've seen the change in fishing maybe more than most as I grew up as a commercial fisherman, white fish ,prawn,lobster,crab from different grounds Dunmore east,rockall to the porcupine bank and all in between have disappeared. My point is first will come proof of mans decimation of fish stocks and this will give these freaks a starting point to go through Europe to get first single species (say Bass) and then all fish band from angling. Look at salmon. Now I know that drift netting for salmon being banned was a good thing but remember that this also meant 80% of rivers in Ireland being closed for angling( the catch and release point of view being thrown as not an option) at some time in the future the ban may not be rescinded if these people get popular opinion behind them as in the hunting ban in England. This decision will not be made in the Dail bit in Brussels so be careful who you vote for. You could find that a German politician takes the rod out of your hand.

...most of these losers are on the dole robbing the workingman blind...they have the time to spare...we pay for them to have it.
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I think it would be a mistake to underestimate these groups. that organisation beginning with P has a fairly diverse demographic makeup.

JD,

I agree with you 100% the ones I meant are the loons we will see...their foot soldiers...the nutters who will (like scara said) dig up old ladies corpes to make a point.

When you hear stories of Paul McCartney buying lobsters from the fishermen in Scotland and then setting them free and the likes of Bridget Bardot spending fortunes doing similar things...just to name two.

Tom.

JD,

I agree with you 100% the ones I meant are the loons we will see...their foot soldiers...the nutters who will (like scara said) dig up old ladies corpes to make a point.

When you hear stories of Paul McCartney buying lobsters from the fishermen in Scotland and then setting them free and the likes of Bridget Bardot spending fortunes doing similar things...just to name two.

Tom.

Born ta fish live ta fish work ta fish people that are anti fishing where picked on at school have no friends and walk poodels and go to flower shows but theres nothing wrong with that :?: they will ban keeping goldfish in tanks next but they will never stop me most anglers return there fish now days any how what a pile a ##sh :evil: :twisted: better not tell any 1 what I keep in tanks :lol:

They surely cant take away are god given right to fish??? We evolved from hunters so theres a natural instinct inside all of us to HUNT this involves fishing shooting and so on. Its our country and our heritage I learned how to fish as a young lad of my father and he in turn learned of his father as ide say most of the members of this site did so its alot more than a CRUEL SPORT. It would be stupid to under estimate these groups but I am not aware of any anti-fishing groups in Ireland the general feeling here is alot different than across the water, People in Ireland seem to be more in touch with the inner hunter because everyone seems to know someone who fishes or hunts and they seem to ask for some fish or some birds for the table!!

Yeah...."Mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the mid-day sun" well not anymore they dont!!!

if it can happen in Germany who like Ireland and Britain are part of the European Union then it can happen anywhere.

By the time you or me hear it on the news one night it may be to late to do anything about it...like some have said here....these people have an agenda...my point is....WE DONT! but we should have one!!!

Tom.

You forget the French and the italians 2 countries that hunting and fishing are very important parts of their life style and the spanish who have a huge tourism investment in fishing so it probably won't come through the EU.

i cant see it ever happening fishing is the 3rd biggest pull factor to tourism in Ireland it worth millions to the economy

id bet my life on it and all my fishing gear on it that it would never happen well not in my life time :evil: :twisted: :evil: :P :x :evil:

ireland is totally surrounded by the sea so sea angling effects most of the population in one way or another. on the other hand germany only has a coastal zone to the north Hamburg and Bremen. therefore a lot of there population would have no direct link with the sea or sea angling. so if they were asked to vote against it why wouldnt they they would not understand it really and have no real interest in it. on the other hand a larger majority of the population would have some link to the sea and would not have negitive views on sea fishing. most of our population is as you know developed around the coast, Dublin Limerick Galway Cork.

the other thing is that we have seen that the german sea anglers have made a mistake by not acting and what they did not do we can do even by your little post there it shows that you are aware of the situation, many german anglers were not.

therefore i dont think sea angling will ever get band in my life time.

Samo.....ALL ANGLING is banned in Germany.....Freshwater as well as Saltwater......what makes you think these morons only want to ban sea angling...?

Tom.

fishing isnt banned in Germany u just have to take exams and get a licence.

In general, in order to legally catch a fish in Germany without being fined to the point of cutting off a limb to pay Germany’s stringent legal bureaucracy, you need two very important documents: the fishing license called a Fishereischein and a permit called a Tageskarte. The fishing license is like any other license, such as for driving; it confirms that one has attended and passed a special fishing course and exam. The permit, although not as imperative as a license, is a document obtained by payment to fish a specified body of water for a specified period of time. However, without a license, one will not receive a permit.

they havent stopped fishin in germany so why do you think they will stop it over here. what germany has done at least ensures that every angler is educated about fishing licences arent all that much of a bad thing espically when we are talking about conservation of a species like bass.

Thats a very good point samo, if more people were educated we wouldnt be talking about what places used to fish like 10 years ago!! And there would be heavy fines on illegal netting and fishing

Samo...Angling for pleasure is banned.....you can only fish for the table...it is an offence to put a fish back alive or dead unless it is undersize.....if thats not a ban then what is...... read it for yourself



http://www.anglerverband.com/DAV/de/nat ... 0a6e02.php


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In Germany therefore a special fishing license is necessary before one is permitted to fish recreationally. This licence can only be gathered by attending a 30 hours course and passing an official angling examination.

Having a reasonable reason to fish is the key in order to avoid getting into trouble with the Animal Welfare Act. What is a reasonable reason? In the case of recreational fishing this reason may be: The use of the caught fish for personal consumption, or as a second reason might be the management of fish populations for ecological reasons. No other reason is at the moment considered "reasonable" in Germany. Fishing for fun or competition is definitely NOT a reasonable reason and therefore illegal in Germany!

Tom.

ive read it and its very interesting to see the way the legislation was implemented, but what is more interesting than the debate about Germany is the realisation that a lot of anglers in Ireland are aware of what possibly could be implemented if we stood by and did nothing. but i dont think that would happen that is why i am saying that fishing will not be banned in ireland in my life time.

would you stop fishing or let some crowd who dont understand fishing have the final say on the matter?

Samo,

Granted Ireland is different from Germany as it is from Britain....my point is though....where was EFSA when all of this went on in Germany...did they try to get Irish anglers or British anglers to voice in favour for the German anglers....there is a saying "divide and Conquer" the fact that you dont THINK it will happen in your lifetime isnt enough (with respect) what we should have is people who take our money and profess to advance our sport putting our minds at rest that there is serious plans in place just in case these loonies creep up on us from behind one day.

Tom.

sorry i should have wrote IT WONT HAPPEN in my life time your right divided we will fall but im sure every angler in ireland will come together on this one if it ever comes up. your not alone mate we are all here to fight for our rights as anglers if it need be. perhaps it would be a good idea to try and get ourselves more organised and under the same umbrella, i wouldnt know how to begin such a task but i could be of help like canvessing and drawing public attention to the subject.