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Environmental Concerns

Due to heavy metals and other pollutants in tires there is a potential risk for the leaching (leachate) of toxins into the groundwater when placed in wet soils. This impact on the environment varies according to the pH level and conditions of local water and soil. Research has shown that very little leaching occurs when shredded tires are used as light fill material, however limitations have been put on use of this material; each site should be individually assessed determining if this product is appropriate for given conditions.[15]

Ecotoxicity may be a bigger problem than first thought. Studies show that zinc, heavy metals, a host of vulcanization and rubber chemicals leach into water from tires. Shredded tire pieces leach much more, creating a bigger concern, due to the increased surface area on the shredded pieces. Many organisms are sensitive, and without dilution, contaminated tire water has been shown to kill some organisms. [16]

i dont think there would be so much effort made to recycle the tyres in the first place if they werent seen as a threat to the environment

maybe a particular bay/estury could take so many tyres for a certain period of time - but how do you know its sustainable

as with most these things theres plenty of opinion but no research to back up most of it

http://www.independent.ie/national-news ... 80004.html

hey eric where you work you sell all types of tropical and cold water fish , would it be safe to put old car tyres in the tanks with all those valuable fish ? or would the ph level of the water be unsafe for the fish ?

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hey eric where you work you sell all types of tropical and cold water fish , would it be safe to put old car tyres in the tanks with all those valuable fish ? or would the ph level of the water be unsafe for the fish ?

Ah do you hear Mr environment on his soap box!! Because of your crack offs, cows two miles away died of lead poisoning. That's why Sportscast had to move!

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How do you hear Mr environment on his soap box!! Because of your crack offs, cows two miles away died of lead poisoning. That's why Sportscast had to move!

hey eric where you work you sell all types of tropical and cold water fish , would it be safe to put old car tyres in the tanks with all those valuable fish ? or would the ph level of the water be unsafe for the fish ?

How do you hear Mr environment on his soap box!! Because of your crack offs, cows two miles away died of lead poisoning. That's why Sportscast had to move!

oh right , thats news to me , where are we moving to ?

hey eric where you work you sell all types of tropical and cold water fish , would it be safe to put old car tyres in the tanks with all those valuable fish ? or would the ph level of the water be unsafe for the fish ?

How do you hear Mr environment on his soap box!! Because of your crack offs, cows two miles away died of lead poisoning. That's why Sportscast had to move!

oh right , thats news to me , where are we moving to ?

I don't know I just added that bit

i like it eric that should put an end to this stupidness

hey eric where you work you sell all types of tropical and cold water fish , would it be safe to put old car tyres in the tanks with all those valuable fish ? or would the ph level of the water be unsafe for the fish ?

so your honestly telling me 400 tires leachng chemicals into the sea will be noticeble?

hey eric where you work you sell all types of tropical and cold water fish , would it be safe to put old car tyres in the tanks with all those valuable fish ? or would the ph level of the water be unsafe for the fish ?

so your honestly telling me 400 tires leachng chemicals into the sea will be noticeble?

are you saying its a good thing ? and then the next guy who puts down more tyres wont be adding to it ? all well and good to have traps but in this day and age tyres ?

hey eric where you work you sell all types of tropical and cold water fish , would it be safe to put old car tyres in the tanks with all those valuable fish ? or would the ph level of the water be unsafe for the fish ?

so your honestly telling me 400 tires leachng chemicals into the sea will be noticeble?

are you saying its a good thing ? and then the next guy who puts down more tyres wont be adding to it ? all well and good to have traps but in this day and age tyres ?

im saying the effects would be negligble and obviously all pollution is bad, but their still seems to be plenty of life around the bay marine wise. all im saying is leave the orginal crab traps alone!

before anyone asks, i dont crab out here and its not in my personal interest to save the traps. its worth remebering all of the peeler crab for sale in irish tackle come from traps, so next time you go out fishng for hounds and bass remember this if you've purchased crab from a shop. if you disagree with using tyres as traps fine but obviously your a hypocrite if you still buy the stuff.

Would a license to collect crab lead to bloody murder? Could tyres be marked or tagged in such a way as to show new and old and a permit be required for x amount of tyres in an area? If people are professional bait collectors, why shouldn't they pay a license fee or something? It also would protect the traps they have down and unlicensed traps could be removed? If it remains a free for all and I could go down tomorrow with 5 tyres and why would I have any less right than someone who had traps down ten years ago, nobody owns the beach. I only ever collected bait in that area once and somebody attempted to intimidate out of the area. Even in a country as backward as South Africa a license is required to collect all live bait and it is illegal to resell, don't see what harm a license with cause apart from the usual grumblings.

This original thread was about getting a group of anglers together to collect the gear that these trappers/crabbers have put down. I still think it's a bad idea that could lead to more trouble and there are other means to address it. But in fairness no matter how much time you might have at some point you will go and buy a bag of peelers for a session. Given what's going on in the USA with BP and the oil leak a few rows of tires although a pollutant are really not that bad. I'm sure worse is leaking into the sea from agriculture and industrial out flows.

Given what's going on in the USA with BP and the oil leak a few rows of tires although a pollutant are really not that bad. I'm sure worse is leaking into the sea from agriculture and industrial out flows.

...like playing handball with a haystack.

as always these debates get thrown one way and then another i certainly have no objection to the nice man from ringsend [whom i have bought bait from over the years] and whos crab traps have never caused anyone any problems. its a fresh batch of traps that were laid about 6 weeks ago by another ringsend family along with some bonnets, scrap metal, and boot lids . some where in this mess was a group of agressive poles who was brought to the garda's attention. then this td got hold of it and the hearald gave it to the public they are a danger with the steel bars sticking up would tear the hull out of a dinghy or awind surfer might catch it like if we all took it on ourselves to set crabtraps whereever we wanted too . how long before dun laire borough moved in to shift them and fine you for dumping id give it one tide dont mind 15yrs

Given what's going on in the USA with BP and the oil leak a few rows of tires although a pollutant are really not that bad. I'm sure worse is leaking into the sea from agriculture and industrial out flows.

...like playing handball with a haystack.

So would you like no tires and no crab available to buy? You've never bought any crab?

Twinkle I too would like to see (some of) the tires stay as I do need to buy bait from time to time. I'm glad the Gardi are aware and I'm sure it will be dealt with. However as Boycie said earlier it would be terrible for there to be no traps and no bait.

So would you like no tires and no crab available to buy? You've never bought any crab?

Twinkle I too would like to see (some of) the tires stay as I do need to buy bait from time to time. I'm glad the Gardi are aware and I'm sure it will be dealt with. However as Boycie said earlier it would be terrible for there to be no traps and no bait.

no ive never bought crab or any bait other than frozen sandeel from time to time,i collect all my own bait and always have.you should try it,its easy...and how does no tyres equal no crab anyway????maybe if you went out collecting bait yourself you might realise that crab and other marine life actually llive in their natural environment

in conor's defence he does collect his own bait most of the time but when its 5pm on a tuesday evening and you want to head out on an inpromptu session and you need crab and the tides dont suit, your shop is your only choice kevin. its not commercially viable to crab the natural way !

oh by the way first class pst twinkle i agree 10 million percent!

So would you like no tires and no crab available to buy? You've never bought any crab?

Twinkle I too would like to see (some of) the tires stay as I do need to buy bait from time to time. I'm glad the Gardi are aware and I'm sure it will be dealt with. However as Boycie said earlier it would be terrible for there to be no traps and no bait.

no ive never bought crab or any bait other than frozen sandeel from time to time,i collect all my own bait and always have.you should try it,its easy...and how does no tyres equal no crab anyway????maybe if you went out collecting bait yourself you might realise that crab and other marine life actually llive in their natural environment

Ah look Kevin I'm sorry if it seemed like I was having a go. My initial problem was with guys trying to take the law into their own hands. That would have not ended well at all imo. I do think there is a need for commercial bait and there is a market. I have no problem with the traditional way that crab has got to market. As for tires causing pollution I will agree to disagree. And I would never condone car parts strewn along the coast line. I always do try and collect my own bait and especially crabs given the extortionate prices they charge for them. Plus I like to bring on crabs myself so I know where I stand with them. Sometimes I do need to buy bait and sometimes they are not the best but I personally do require a facility to purchase crabs from time to time.

I think we would all like to see vast improvements in many areas of the sport including the condition of the coast. While I have no objective to the original traps (out of sight, out of mind) I would not like to see an area like Sutton ruined any more then it already is. I grew up at the crosses and spent many hours on all her beaches. While conservation is always a positive I can not agree with a group of people forcefully removing traps. And I feel if this issue was to get out of hand people like myself who like to occasionally buy crabs may suffer.

Ah look Kevin I'm sorry if it seemed like I was having a go. My initial problem was with guys trying to take the law into their own hands. That would have not ended well at all imo. I do think there is a need for commercial bait and there is a market. I have no problem with the traditional way that crab has got to market. As for tires causing pollution I will agree to disagree. And I would never condone car parts strewn along the coast line. I always do try and collect my own bait and especially crabs given the extortionate prices they charge for them. Plus I like to bring on crabs myself so I know where I stand with them. Sometimes I do need to buy bait and sometimes they are not the best but I personally do require a facility to purchase crabs from time to time.

I think we would all like to see vast improvements in many areas of the sport including the condition of the coast. While I have no objective to the original traps (out of sight, out of mind) I would not like to see an area like Sutton ruined any more then it already is. I grew up at the crosses and spent many hours on all her beaches. While conservation is always a positive I can not agree with a group of people forcefully removing traps. And I feel if this issue was to get out of hand people like myself who like to occasionally buy crabs may suffer.

its cool man,i agree that nothing could be worse than a gang of anglers with flaming torches,frothing at the mouth etc.....and as i said earlier ive never had a problem with crab traps.i know the bait supplier from ringsend for many years now and know him to be extremely responsable and eco-aware and a thorough gentleman of the highest calibre....he is not the perceived problem here but i think anglers should at least condemn what is seen as dangerous dumping of scrap on a beach.....i dunno maybe a small statement in the northside people or something but no way will you see me marching down there with a pillowcase on me head........ill leave that to the keyboard toughguys.