Dunlaoghaire-Rathdown restrict angling to designated areas??

I'd call that a result, no one can really get too het up about that ruling.

It's a far cry from the previous looney proposals and it's not unreasonable, although it does make the white rock hard to fish or does it?

There's gonna be confusion.......which one is it?

OR,

They've taken the decision to ban, and now are checking with the legal bods about how to go about it.......

I've asked for clarification.

I've got clarification.

The amended bye-laws will be presented to a full county council meeting prior to the 2008 bathing season for adoption.

I was talking to the Chairman last friday. He told me that the proposals had been returned to be revised, that the lifeguard proposal had been discussed but that no decision had been voted on or would be voted on until the new year.

Is the executive at odds with the council?

With due respects to EoinMag, I think it's a bad thing (albeit not as bad as origonally proposed) when anyone can tell us when and where we can or cannot engage in our sport, especially as there have historically been no limits put on us.

Remember, all this kicked off when one of our anglers was chased off a beach by some upstart council jobsworth for fishing. Are we really going to let them do this to us? Give them the power over us to be able to tell us to stop fishing?

Typical political tactics, threaten a ban and inflict a restriction. They probably wanted just this all along, and made us grateful to them for not inflicting a ban.

I suggest that our campaign is not yet over. If the council still has to take a vote on it, we should still be campaigning to get this entire idiocy thrown out.

A complete and resounding victory now will help safeguard our sport. Accept compromises now and expect to see our opponents coming back at us further down the line, looking to chip away at our right to fish.

A complete and resounding victory now will help safeguard our sport. Accept compromises now and expect to see our opponents coming back at us further down the line, looking to chip away at our right to fish.

Hear Hear Gerry. Well said. If these restrictions come in here, its merely setting a precedent for similar restrictions to be imposed elsewhere and lets be honest, are we going to have the same online response to this issue if they decide to sneak it onto other, "less popular" beaches away from the big smoke?? If this goes through, it will be a travesty. Swimmers.....!!!! Pah!

We fished a competition on a scorching hot day on a packed Ballybrannigan beach down here recently as part of the SAI masters, aside from one old dear who obviously hadnt a notion what was going on and had a paddle under a line or two, there were no incidents of any description (shouting at unleashed, incontinent dogs aside which I believe are much more of a menace but thats another story). There was no need for segregation of any sort, people exhibited a bit of sense, on both sides. Not casting when people were beside them, people not swimming in midst of a sea of 3 hook flappers etc etc.

There is absolutely NO need for any of this, none at all. The people who can be menaces on a beach with a rod in hand are going to ignore this anyway. Why should the rest of us be made to suffer. Do not sit back and accept this lads, its the thin end of the wedge.....

I still think it's not unreasonable not to fish in a lifeguarded area at certain times, call me understanding if you will.

A total ban is not of the same calibre as what has now been proposed and I think if you show no flexibility that you'll be on the losing foot eventually and can be discounted as someone not open to compromise, and eventually just discounted.

The same Jobsworth had a run in with me, by the way, and he'll be told in the nicest of terms the next time that he can go elsewhere with his lies.
That wasn't what started it, by the way, that was coincidental with a mood that I believe comes from said Jobsworth and his communications with the council.

There is an inherent danger in throwing hooked objects in the direction of soft fleshed people and animals.
I've fished out there on Killiney beach recently with someone else from here, there were people swimming near us while spinning and plugging, but it was controlled and safe, a crack off however may not have been very safe, the onus is on the council to protect against this eventuality if they wish to retain a blue flag for their beach.
The Blue Flag system does specify some measures and that's what they're acting on, they had gone way over and above what was expected of them by this system.

I think it's very cynical to suggest that they are smart enough to start with a high opener so we'll compromise with something much lower, I think it was ill thought out to begin with and at the time they only had the ear of one lobby (someone else suggested swimmers) and hadn't heard from the anglers, and when they saw the obviously unanticipated backlash they backed off, someone has been left with egg on their face so they've compromised.
I think realistically we have to do the same.

I think taking to the barricades will come back much worse than a small compromise at this point.

Just my opinion.

I'd say pick your battles a bit better than this one.

Taken from the list of fallacious arguments:

Slippery Slope Fallacy (Camel's Nose)

there is an old saying about how if you allow a camel to poke his nose into the tent, soon the whole camel will follow.

The fallacy here is the assumption that something is wrong because it is right next to something that is wrong. Or, it is wrong because it could slide towards something that is wrong.

For example, "Allowing abortion in the first week of pregnancy would lead to allowing it in the ninth month." Or, "If we legalize marijuana, then more people will try heroin." Or, "If I make an exception for you then I'll have to make an exception for everyone."

http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skep ... l#slippery

sensible stuff, really

The same Jobsworth had a run in with me, by the way, and he'll be told in the nicest of terms the next time that he can go elsewhere with his lies.

Next time he may not be lying. It could be the truth next time if this is passed, and jobsworth will be entitled to tell you to go elsewhere.

I think it's very cynical

Yup. May be just me, may be a sign of the times....

I think taking to the barricades will come back much worse than a small compromise at this point.

Just my opinion.

I'd say pick your battles a bit better than this one.

That's the problem with compromise. Once you start, where do you finish? And what battle is better than this one?

We've put them on notice that they can't introduce bans willy-nilly. We've caused them to take a step back. Now's the time to push for a complete victory. End this nonsense once and for all.

More on this issue in the Angling Notes in today's Irish Times.

More on this issue in the Angling Notes in today's Irish Times.

Can't see the angling notes in the on-line edition. Anyone with a subscription have a link?

We can listen to the meetings..

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From Cllr Carrie Smyth

Dear Mr. Diamond,

Please see attached file for your information, which contains further changes to the Draft Beach Bye Laws 2007. The Council Official's hope to bring the Draft Beach Bye Laws 2007 to a Council Meeting in May or June for adoption.

Kind Regards
Carrie.

I haven't had time to look at this.

So basically fishing is to prohibited at all times at the Forty Foot and within the lifeguard patrol area in Seapoint, Sandycove and Killiney, regardless of whether there is a lifeguard on duty.

So basically fishing is to prohibited at all times at the Forty Foot and within the lifeguard patrol area in Seapoint, Sandycove and Killiney, regardless of whether there is a lifeguard on duty.

And regardless of the time of day or year ie midnight in the depths of winter! Whatever happened to the compromise mooted as only in the summer when a lifeguard is on duty?

Here's something else:

b) The Council may designate other locations or times where fishing and angling is prohibited.

They are going to assume onto themselves the legal right to ban our sport, whenever they feel like it. And I bet without another round of public consultation like now, when it could be objected to.

Surely to God this must be fough and defeated?

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Sod it, I know I'm quoting myself: :D

Accept compromises now and expect to see our opponents coming back at us further down the line, looking to chip away at our right to fish.

They proposed ban, offered a compromise, and are now reneging on that offer. I only wish I'd had the gumption to go pick 6 lottery numbers the day I wrote that. :roll:

Well, they haven't entirely reneged on their compromise. The original proposal seemed to ban angling everywhere and all the time. The compromise seened to suggest that ban would only be in lifeguard areas when the lifeguard was on duty. This new proposal gets rid of the "when the lifeguard is on duty" bit.

I would like to see a clause along the lines of "when the lifeguard is on duty" added back in. Or even better, you are allowed to fish unless a lifeguard on duty deems it to be a hazard, or something similar. I could live with that.

Yeah, they offered a compromise, put the whole question out to consultation and came back with the compromise worsened. They probably hoped the worse of the bally-hoo would have died down.

Typical of politicos/civil servants. :roll:

anyhoo, it's this bit that's the sting in the tail:

b) The Council may designate other locations or times where fishing and angling is prohibited.

I'll tell you what guys, that section should have all you Leinster anglers up in arms.

Preferably outside the doors of the Council Offices when this is due to be voted on.

sounds as your banned from fishing some areas 24/7, and if the council fell like it you'll be stopped fishing other areas