Dunlaoghaire-Rathdown restrict angling to designated areas??

Grammar and freudian slip corrected.

As an aside, the issue will be raised at the AGM of SAISAC tomorrow and a submission may be made.

John, just noticed - it's "Bulloch" and not "Bullock".

yes, I know it's a load of old...

er, and it's Coliemore (http://www.dlrcoco.ie/Roads/ColiemoreRoadFinal.htm), not Colliemore (or Colleymore - where's Ulrika?)

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Submissions have to be in by NOON TOMORROW (Fri, Sept 28,07)

I received an acknowledgement from DLR Co Co. Thanks to all who have posted on this thread so far, it was all very helpful.

The proposed by-laws will have to be vote upon, so I'll try and find out when this may happen. We will need to lobby thye councillors in the run up to this vote.

jd

I also emailed a copy of the site submission to the councillors. I'll collate the responses later.

One thing I learned

Thank you for copying me with your observations. The Manager will be responding to the issues raised at our October Committee meeting. The revised Bye-Laws will be presented to a full Council meeting at the end of the year.

The committee is
Dun Laoghaire Area Committee for Environment, Housing, Culture Community Development & Amenities

According to DLR CoCo web site

Monday, 22 October
Dún Laoghaire Area Committee (EHCCDA)

5.00-7.00pm

Closing date
08/10/2007

jd

Sorry Samo et al,
Late getting to read this thread. Your assertion that the yacht clubs are bringing preesure to bear is correct. Whether they are on the county council board,I very much doubt. Anyway....

I am a member of SAISAC and I am also a member of The Royal Irish Yacht Club and the Dun Laoghaire Motor Yacht Club. I can speak confidently and have seen with my own eyes not only damage caused to yachts but people getting injured from our esteemed "angler" friends.

Indeed our own yacht was struck by a "Mackeral basher" type who caused 1400 euro worth of damage as we were exiting the harbour in June. We all know the type of people involved. They are not the responsible angler who I believe to be on this site. They are thugs, who tend to engage in loutish behaviour.

Yachts must keep the fairway clear for the fast ferry and are therefore obliged to keep close to the pierheads. Some "anglers" on the end of the West Pier see it fit to fire a trace of 6 hooks and 150g projectiles at the yachts & dinghys in close proximity. This is downright dangerous behaviour. Several injuries this year have caused outrage amongst harbour users.

I am certainly not in favour of banning angling anywhere, however with clowns like we have at the end of the west pier, I can see where an irrational decision can be made by the co co. Maybe a ban on the end of the west pier would help us overall?Or maybe it would just move the problem elsewhere?

I hope no-one picks this rant up the wrong way. Some people are ruining our sport. We know the type - how do we stop them?
JK

Maybe a ban on the end of the west pier would help us overall?Or maybe it would just move the problem elsewhere?

No bans. Anywhere. Under any circumstances. Sod that for the thin edge of the wedge.

If there's a problem with louts causing damage/injury, then call the Gardai. It's their job. Get them on the case. There's laws against that sort of behaviour.

Yachts must keep the fairway clear for the fast ferry and are therefore obliged to keep close to the pierheads

Interesting I never knew this and I used to do a lot of fishing on these piers as a youngster, wonder do present day fishermen on the pier know this? Maybe a sign on the pier might help to explain. By the way I presume this only applies when the ferry is entering or exiting?

I use Dun Laoghaire harbour at least twice a week, never when the ferry is coming or going if I can help it, and I doubt if anyone could even reach me with a cast from either pier. :roll: :wink:

Maybe if we all try to understand each others right to exist and this includes me in my small fishing boat, the boys on the pier, jfkireland, the co co, and all the beach users we would have no need for heavyhanded enforcing of byelaws?

How about friendly co-existence??? :lol: :lol:


Yappo

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If there's a problem with louts causing damage/injury, then call the Gardai. It's their job. Get them on the case. There's laws against that sort of behaviour.[/quote]

I agree. Furthermore, is there as much as a sign on the end of the West Pier advising anglers not to cast if there are boats coming by? No. Or Indeed any on display in the "yacht" clubs (note that the Motor Yacht Club includes the usual D4 Sunday Seaman-driven god-awful versions of sea-going SUVs) advising helmsmen not to steer into fishing lines - which I have seen them do? No.

Incidentally, "yachts" are generally taken up for the winter months (Oct - April) and the ferry comes and goes how many times a day?

And what has this got to do with a proposed ban on beaches, anyway?

Absolutely Nothing.

The Eastern Regional Fisheries Board ( http://www.fishingireland.net/ ) and the Dublin Angling Initiative have their submissions online.
http://www.fishingireland.net/pdf/finalsubmission.pdf

and

http://www.fishingireland.net/pdf/dailetter.pdf

The Eastern Regional Fisheries Board ( http://www.fishingireland.net/ ) and the Dublin Angling Initiative have their submissions online.
http://www.fishingireland.net/pdf/finalsubmission.pdf

and

http://www.fishingireland.net/pdf/dailetter.pdf

See that stuff there: that's all good stuff. Isn't it great that, if only for once, we have civil servants on our side that can draft professional submissions like that. :D

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this proposal is going to be voted on at the next council meeting 22 oct.

From reading the new proposal, my understanding is that there are four venues that are being proposed to be off limits for fishing. However, the sentence "the council may designate areas where angling my not be allowed" these include, sandycove, killiney, fortyfoot and seapoint.

My question is, does this allow the county council to ban fishing at will in other locations there after without having to vote on them? seeing as the council may designate areas where angling my not be allowed"

Also, why ban angling in these locations at any time.

Take Killiney for example. I'm not a resident and I haven't been to Killiney for a long time. Do the flags fly all the time, or only when a lifeguard in on duty? No flags flying means you can fish away?

I'm still failing to understand why even the amended measures are necessary here when they are unnecessary at other popular beaches.

They are still trying to take it upon themselves to regulate our sport and tell us where and when we can/can't fish. What on earth gives them the right, legal, moral or otherwise to do that?

Does anyone else find this disturbing? Thin edge of the wedge and all that?

This needs to be defeated. Not just defeated, but crushed. Get out there lads and picket!

I obtained a response to my FOI request submitted to DLR and have been granted access to research undertaken by DLR Senior Executive Officer concerning the amendment of the Beach Bye Laws.

I was denied access to the public submissions made on the matter under Section 20 of the FOI act. However, they will be compiled and made available to me after Oct 22nd.

So the indication is that there is a meeting on Oct 22nd that you need to focus attention on.

the research I have ranges from copies of other counties byelaws to amendments regarding jetskis, the maritime safety act 2005, various correspondence, e-mail, and handwritten notes arising from a committee meeting of 23rd April.

There doesn't appear to be any big public outcry against anglers based on this research, but you could be facing fines of up to 2K euro, including fines of 50-150 euro. Licencing appears to be of interest, though it is in relation to use of Quad bikes and jet skis that seems to be the most concern.

My conclusion: We really need to resist this. It's not of pressing public concern to restrict angling, but is the thin end of the wedge re: charges, licensing, and fines.

Lads, I'm up in Donegal and far away from the action, so it's easy for me to be a keyboard warrior and call for action. After all, this doesn't directly affect me.

However, I've seen the results up here of the Game Angling Federation locking horns with the CoCo and the RFB. They'll trample all over you if you let them. Go through you for a shortcut, they will.

I believe it now time to be contemplating some sort of demo. We've made submissions, others have made submissions, statutary bodies have made submissions pointing out to this CoCo what a bad idea any ban on angling is.......... and still they contemplate it!

Get out on the streets boys. Pickett that meeting with a couple of hundred anglers on the 22nd. Organise a fish in on those stretches of beaches that they're proposing. Get up in their faces, and stay there till thet learn not to interfere with us.

But as Ive pointed out. it's easy for me to be a Keyboard Warrior. Who that's local and affected is going to take the lead on this?

Incidentally - what is the legal ownership/jurisdiction over beaches anyway - isn't it similar to foreshore law - i.e., it's just up to the high watermark (or is it low watermark)?

I'll get some legal advice today if no-one is sure.