Get on This Mob

Angling as a sport is banned in Germany. A fisherman who wants to catch fish for his table must pass quite a lengthy and costly exam before he acquires a license to fish.

Wait for this one.....it is illegal to return any fish in Germany, alive or dead unless it is under size....this law carries quite a hefty fine and possible prison term AFAIK

How different is Germany as a country to ours or Germans as anglers to us....most German anglers must have sat back and thought...NEVER!! well the Green Party did it to them

IMHO the governing bodies of angling in Europe don't do enough to prevent groups like this from gaining points on them in the press, and that where public opinion starts....in the newspapers or on TV by someone getting there side of the story in first....notice they brag about visiting schools...how easy is it to teach a little kid that these nasty people hurt Nemo....I'm being serious....one little kid telling his dad or big brother that he doesn't want to go fishing with them because its cruel...think about it...

Tom.

good point mate, what can we do about it, i think however that fishing is in everyones blood in ireland i dont know one bloke that hasnt been fihin, if they ever did try anything stupid over hear they would meet stiff opposition or perhaps just get laughed at.

i did however hear of a case a few years ago, it was in the sea angler, were a man had brought his son out fishing, he was surrounded by a group of "PLONKERS" who started off saying fishing was cruel by the end of his ordeal they were throwing rocks at him. probable because they had run out of fuel for there argument and the angler was getting the better of them.

i know what i would have done in any ways if i was there, a pendulum cast with a 7 ounce grip lead and aim for one of there ass holes

One of the arguments set out by the antis is the cruelty of catch and release. At least if the fish is been taken for table there was a reason for the supposed pain felt by the fish. Reasonable arguments that catch and release is better makes no odds to these extreemists. Their primary protests in Britain have been against coarse fishing as its the most popular sport which is nearly 100% C&R.

Pictures of dead fish are never going to turn the public against angling. Go down to fishing port and you'll see hundreds of dead fish dumped because theres no market for them yet theres no protests against trawlers. Go to any supermarket and dead fish are displayed to attract customers and theres no complaints. Any conversation I've had with member of the public about why I release nearly all my fish has been shock on their behalf. The usual one even out on coarse fishery "have you caught your tea yet?"

If you don't believe dead fish should be put up on the web site as we should promote C&R that fair enough to have that opinion. My opion is that it won't make a difference as regards banning it.

Donagh

One of the arguments set out by the antis is the cruelty of catch and release. At least if the fish is been taken for table there was a reason for the supposed pain felt by the fish. Reasonable arguments that catch and release is better makes no odds to these extreemists. Their primary protests in Britain have been against coarse fishing as its the most popular sport which is nearly 100% C&R.

This is a very good point (which I tried and failed to put into sensible words yesterday).

Can I suggest, only partly tongue-in-cheek, that if you want to post a pic of a dead fish, you do it in a culinary context, (e.g. on a plate, with a sprig of parsley ;) )

EDIT: apologies, I'm mixing up my [url=http://www.sea-angling-ireland.org/bulletin%20board/viewtopic.php?t=9129]controversial bass conservation threads[/url].

Donagh wrote:
One of the arguments set out by the antis is the cruelty of catch and release. At least if the fish is been taken for table there was a reason for the supposed pain felt by the fish. Reasonable arguments that catch and release is better makes no odds to these extreemists. Their primary protests in Britain have been against coarse fishing as its the most popular sport which is nearly 100% C&R.

Excellent point Donagh and similar to one I just made on another thread.

This site and petas anti angling site have been on the web for a good few years now. You see them coming up on forums now again. I've looked through them but not for a while now it has to be said and never seen any angling photos used to show the cruelty of angling. that organisation beginning with P uses a dog with a hook in its mouth for affect. Fish just don't tug on the heart strings.

Donagh

Just checked out the ban blood sports in Ireland web site(no mention of angling that i could see :twisted: )...they have a petition going since April last to get 10,000 signatures by this April they have 1117 and most are from overseas...nearly signed it myself i nearly felt so bad :shock: ....nearly :lol:

i once had a run in with one of those 'save the fish' people.. he tried stopping me from setting up.. i asked him if he was a vegetarian.. as soon as he said no i asked him how could he live with himself with the knowledge that cattle and sheep and other livestock are only reared so that could be slaughtered so he could enjoy a steak or roast ham.. never saw him since... (think he was on holiday or something)
and yes I'm a vegetarian.. but i do eat fish though...

that organisation beginning with P uses a dog with a hook in its mouth for affect. Fish just don't tug on the heart strings.

sounds like the dog that can be found at little killary.. always eating baited hooks.. never unbaited..(it has a thing for sandeell) but at least it just sits and waits to be un hooked.. it doesnt even flinch when the hook is removed..

and when it comes down to it.. its the dogs owner who is to blame for letting the dog off the leash in a public area..

One thing to watch on forums is the written word. I've seen on other forums a first time poster writing in to say how they mushing up crabs. These have been shown to be anits trying to get a a number of "cruel" response to the poor crabs. These can be copied and pasted into news letters. Theres been a few hooked dogs stories on the forum which I agree isn't the anglers fault but there has been a few jokes that would be great propoganda for any antis.

Donagh

there are more pressing matters to be dealt with in the world then angling as a cruel sport such as immagrants working on musharoom farms or picking ORGANIC potatos for next to nothing. i wonder what there views are on this, and how unhuman these poor individuals are treated so they can have there organic meals???

i think this group is based in england... and therefore will not affect us..and i know there r groups in ireland doin mostly the same thing...and they will affect us but we need 2 retain some solidarity on this one guys..have like a group specifically for catch and realease, and combat these morons...anlgers for catch and release (AFCR) if there is such a group dont sue me for copyright..i just didnt know lol :roll:

I think most people in Ireland understand the sport of angling or fishing its been such a bit tradition here passed down from father to son over decades and the general feeling towards anglers in Ireland is a good one, when your fishing people are always curious of what you are catching and always seem to want a chat on a beach when your trying to keep a low key!! Angling is one of the biggest sports in the world and a small group of English anti meat lovers aren't gona bring the hole sport to a stand still. Next they will be telling us we cant eat fish or other meat, its just another way for them to force there views on us!!

i know this is a genuine worry abd something that should be monitored continiously, i still feel that there is a very positive public image regarding angling in this country.ive fished since i was 4 i think and i'm 23 now and i have never had a run in or even experienced any animosity towards me with regards my fishing, i would hope this is something which may continue..

i know this is a genuine worry abd something that should be monitored continiously, i still feel that there is a very positive public image regarding angling in this country.ive fished since i was 4 i think and i'm 23 now and i have never had a run in or even experienced any animosity towards me with regards my fishing, i would hope this is something which may continue..

Yeah i think that thats is a very good point, i've never had any run in's myself, and i personally dont know anybody who has, it could be something thats mostly related to general parts of the country where these groups exist or where fishing is relied upon as a living(Passage east for example, giving anglers pad publicity) and it's true what KK said about the general publics curiosity to angling when we are fishing and i dont think that the majority of the public are upset about anglers not releasing fish, it seems to me that members of the public who dont fish see it as part and parcel of fishing, i've been told by random people when i'm putting back fish "whats the point of fishing if you put them back" this is a good and a bad thing though, i think that this publics views on anglers taking fish as part and parcel of fishing takes away a big part of the Anti's ammo but it also means that the public really need to be educated on catch and release measure's too,as many Jo soaps who go fishing obviously dont understand C&R and i have seen them keep anything they catch and look at me in amazment when i suggest they put them back forwhatever reason.

I had a point to make here somewhere but it got lost in my rant :? :)

The morons have an action plan...that's more than we have!! one of the things they advise on a local level is for their people to visit schools and let the kiddies see how badly anglers are to fish......part of our plan should be to do likewise and let parents and teachers see that when kids are out fishing they dont get into nearly as much trouble.

For every Ying there is a Yang...at club level there could be someone given the task of furthering angling in their (the clubs) community....not such a bad thing.....more members means healthier clubs....means better standard of angler...could mean a Gold medal....I am being serious :)

BTW...... about 20 odd years ago two anglers got taken to court in the north east of England, by this silly old rich cow who had them charged under the cruelty to animals act for cruelty to Rag worm....deadly serious...the case dragged on for a few years because they wouldn't plead guilty...even though they were told they wouldn't even have to pay a fine, they dragged it on to the highest court in the land until it was proved that under the laws set out in the Magna Carta no government could take the right away from the common man to fish or dig bait on the shores of Britain.....the silly old woman lost a packet ( this is my point coming up) she had loads of backers joining on week after week with financial support even......once they get going they take some stopping and they'll make a fight of it!!

All credit to those 2 guys.....they made the other nutters think twice about doing it again...time may be making them forget that now though....so be on guard.

Tom.

i have had a good read of it and they also have a video to show how cruel angling is. i would like to see this video to see exactly what is on it

Stupid, Disgusting, Vile, Soy Eating P.E.T.A. Idiots, They deserve dragged from there Beds at night and slapped with Frozen Mackeral until they wise the hell up! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :x :x :x :x :evil: :evil:

Stupid, Disgusting, Vile, Soy Eating P.E.T.A. Idiots, They deserve dragged from there Beds at night and slapped with Frozen Mackeral until they wise the hell up! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :x :x :x :x :evil: :evil:

why waste good bait

[fenitbob]

Its seems that alot of them are Vegans. these are people do not use any animal products (apparently its 'Wrong') It does not seem to bother them that a whole load of animals have to be killed if you want to produce vegetables on a commercial level, pest control, insecticides, not to mention harvesting (they get harvested with the veg :shock: ).

I think the take home message from most of these people is that they are 'Right' and anglers are 'Wrong'. all the sites I have seen they point out that anglers say that fish don't feel pain (I've never heard any angler say that) normally what follows after that is a a few claims that a meat fish diet isn't natural. it is disturbing to read. I'm still looking for a forum to actually debate with them in a rational manner
if anyone finds one pm me the details please

what ever you do, do not post a link to the forums on the website it will appear in their 'linked from' log file we could be innundated with rubbish.

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It seems in their case not to eat meat or any animal for that matter must damage the brain....because this mob are mental cases...and that what they are...a MAD MOB of vigilante do-gooders (in their twisted minds) and they will do prison time for their cause if need be....those scientists and doctors who have been murdered in the US by the that organisation beginning with P loonies are the proof of it.

We as anglers need to get the ear of a politician or politician's to speak on our part and set out some form of plan to deal with nutters like these. As the biggest participant sport there is...we must hold some clout with a vote.....understand while we have a life...work..family and friends...most of these losers are on the dole robbing the workingman blind...they have the time to spare...we pay for them to have it.

They know where and when to show up to....when a big event is on or a busy place where they feel safe from violence....not on a beach at midnight where someone may just go off on one and do them some harm...I am not saying this as a threat...just pointing out that they know what they are doing.

Tom.