where have all the fish gone

Puts the post on the effects on stock of angling competitions in prospetive.....solution he EU have some cheek to say we owe them money.

Ya that's the thing. We got money when joining the EC for roads and whatever but I wonder what the sums are for balancing this with giving up our fishing rights.
Some of the links posted up show a general free for all and lack of accountability for a proper solution to overfishing.

12 nov

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You'd wonder how the ANNELIES ILENA is allowed fish in these waters considering the furore a few years back when the Atlantic Dawn (same vessel) was refused a licence in EU waters - Maybe its because of boarfish?

Back in the day:

In the late Nineties, and by now a multimillionaire (Kevin Mchugh), he boldly ordered the €63m Atlantic Dawn with the world's largest catch capacity. The 144m Atlantic Dawn propelled him and Ireland into the international maritime spotlight.

The Celtic Tiger roared. Marine Minister of the day, Frank Fahey pronounced its launch as "one of the proudest moments of the Irish fishing industry" and awarded McHugh the inaugural Maritime Person of the Year Award.

However, the European Commission refused to allow the vessel to avail of an existing international fishing agreement with non-EU states. McHugh, therefore, brokered his own deal with the Mauritanian government. This enabled the new vessel to fish nine months of the year off west Africa and spend the remaining months fishing off an Irish quota, secured by registering the Veronica under a Panamanian flag.

McHugh's actions led to legal action initiated by the EU against Ireland. Irish fishermen were angered that the Atlantic Dawn had become part of the Irish fleet following a controversial deal brokered between the Irish Government and the EU.

After five years fishing off Mauritania, the Atlantic Dawn , known locally as the 'Sea Monster' and 'the Ship from Hell', was expelled and fined. Locals and environmentalists blamed dwindling catches and endangered species on the Irish ship.

http://www.independent.ie/unsorted/migr ... 18239.html

His vessel, the Atlantic Dawn, plunged him and key politicians into controversy six years ago.

Following direct intervention by Taoiseach Bertie Ahern and the then Marine Minister, Frank Fahey, the trawler was granted a temporary fishing licence.

This was despite the fact that Ireland was already over the EU’s domestic fleet limit.

The European Commission subsequently began two court actions against Ireland for breaching the limit and for registration infringements with the Atlantic Dawn. Despite this, the vessel was awarded a short-term licence.

It later became fully registered when the Veronica, also owned by Mr McHugh, was taken off the Irish list and re-registered in Panama.

Aaaaaah.....Frank Fahey....Bertie.....Pat the Cope.....those lads didn't care much for us anglers - Never forget!

http://www.publicintegrity.org/2012/01/ ... rn-pacific.
http://www.noble-house.tk/html/engels/F ... herman.htm

The world largest pelagic trawler
http://youtu.be/BCb2TT5GW7k

Puts the post on the effects on stock of angling competitions in prospetive.........the EU have some cheek to say we owe them money.

From the outset, the intention of the post you mention above was never to see what affect competitive angling had on fish stocks in general. It was posted to get opinions on the affect that competitions have on small inshore streches for the local anglers that Fish them in the aftermath. I've yet to see a 300ft plus Dutch factory ship towing for bass, ray and flounder along the shoreline of the bay !!
in my opinion, It's straying way off-topic to to a comfortable and easily defended standpoint to contrast match angling angling commercial fishing on a colossal scale.

And there's me straying off topic now

On the situation off the northwest. I would agree with the view that the European union are looking for an a return on 40 years of investment into Ireland made via structural funds etc. on top of this, the relatively good deal received by the highly politicized Irish agricultural sector also served to placate the government regarding fisheries.
on the other end of the scale, it also reaffirms why Iceland and Norway stayed away from the union and it's fishing quotas.
It will be interesting to see if Irish politicians will have the backbone to challenge the eu (plus Norway and Iceland) regarding destructive fishing practices in the post troika era....

The spanish, dutch and british fleets seem to have the Lions share of the blue whiting quota. Its notable that Ireland has a sizeable quata too, around 15,000 tons.

The quota breakdown for all species makes for interesting reading:
http://ec.europa.eu/fisheries/documenta ... 013_en.pdf

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The overfishing that goes on would make you sickened

The Spanish do not have a pelagic presence in Irish waters. They probably get a by-catch of Blue Whiting in the bottom trawl, however this would be insubstantial compared to catches made by pelagic vessels. The following EU nations fish that divvy out the Mackerel quota: Ireland, Scotland (the English have no pelagic vessels nowdays), Denmark, Germany and the Netherlands. Norway have a share in the resource as well. As for the Faroes and Iceland, sin seal éile! The Dutch vessels in the AIS are most likely fishing for Mackerel.

Just had confirmation of what they are fishing for, from a prominent skipper. They are fishing for Scad at present, however later on in the season when the migratory Mackerel pass this way they will be fishing for Mackerel. They are freezers and have graders aboard, anything that is not suitable size wise goes over the side. The rest of the EU RSW fleet only fish during daylight hours for optimum selective catching (during darkness you get lots of mixed catches, ie scad, small mackerel, sprat etc). Daylight catches are more selective and RSW tank catches have to be clean and single species catch. This fleet would normally be fishing West African waters and have huge catching capability, this is possibly a big a concern as the Icelandic/Faroese scenario with regard to the future health of various stocks.

http://youtu.be/F6nwZUkBeas

From the Irish Skipper Facebook page:
22/11/2013

Irish Skipper
The Annelise Ilena (EX Atlantic Dawn) has been arrested 100 miles off the Donegal coast for alleged breach of fishing regulations. The vessel was detained at 11am by the LE Roisin and is being escorted to Killybegs Harbour tonight

From the Irish Skipper Facebook page:
22/11/2013

Irish Skipper
The Annelise Ilena (EX Atlantic Dawn) has been arrested 100 miles off the Donegal coast for alleged breach of fishing regulations. The vessel was detained at 11am by the LE Roisin and is being escorted to Killybegs Harbour tonight

thanks for that jim will be interesting to hear what the alleged breach of fishing regulations is

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https://www.facebook.com/irish.skipper.5

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-an ... -1.1604456

It's being rugged into Killybegs now...according to marinetraffic.com

**tugged**

From the Irish Times:
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-an ... -1.1606791

One of the world’s largest fishing vessels is still under detention today in south Co Donegal as part of a Naval Service and Sea Fisheries Protection Authority (SFPA) surveillance operation.
Inspections were being carried out by the Naval Service and SFPA yesterday on the 144m Dutch fish factory vessel Annelies Ilena, formerly the Atlantic Dawn.
The vessel has been tied up in Killybegs over the weekend.
The ship was apprehended off the northwest coast on Friday by the LE Róisín under the command of Lieut Cdr Terry Ward.
It was directed to port on suspicion of “high grading”, whereby smaller fish are discarded in breach of European Union regulations, with larger fish retained to increase the value of the catch.
The ship had been fishing for horse mackerel and blue whiting in British and Irish waters for the past 20 days under EU quota allocations.
Diek Parlevliet, director of Parlevliet and Van der Plas, which owns the Dutch supertrawler, said in a statement: “We comply with the European rules and capture only within the allowable catch quotas.”
He added: “If it is a violation, it must be very small.”

whats very small on that vessel - a few hundred thousand!

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The Annelise Ilena is back out again

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The captain will be up in court on Tuesday according to this article http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/dpp-fails-to-have-bail-for-fishing-ship-set-at-5-8m-1.1608120.In the article it mentions that it is losing 125,000 for every day it spends being detained ... and has being fishing the last two weeks off Mayo so I am sure a fine wont bother them too much.