Why oh why ????

to the comercial fishing boats this is economics .do we head out 100 miles useing x amount of fuel for 3 days for say a 1000euros or stay in the harbour useing little fuel and time for 800 euros. when you look at there options
its easy to pick the reason why they were fishing in the harbour. maybe the flats were fetching a better price than cod or maybe there was a short suppy of rays and they were getting top price for them. these are a number of factors we have to take into account but i still stand by my first statement. with the amount of publicity cork harbour gets not just on this site its a wonder its not an every day occurence.

I don't agree, read Dave's initial post again! These are just small inshore around 100hp boats that have never travelled more than a few miles offshore.

As Dave said the good quality fish are just outside the harbour so the difference in cost of fuel to get there is really nothing as the tides are weaker out there so the boats would burn far less whilst towing out there anyway, also the fish quality to the commercials inside the harbour as any angler will tell you is sh1te in comparison. This has nothing at all do with economics, why burn fuel towing for sh1te while letting quality fish alone just 15 minutes steam away ask yourself.

The small netters off de wall start in October every year as they have done for generations so reports on here mean nothing to them, where do you think these small open punts come from? They can just as easily walk down the road through the anglers and see with their own eyes what they are getting but they don't bother they just shoot a net in mid October and see for themselves.

I know all of theses trawler owners as would Dave and he will also tell you they wouldn't know how to turn on a computer between them so couldn't care less about anglers reports. Lads you must remember these are commercial fishermen and fishing is what they do if they need to rely on reports from anglers to catch fish then all I can say is god help them

Fair points Mohawk and well made .Can i just say a few words regarding the above as they kind of relate to my post but correct me if im wrong.Yes im aware De Wall,has been netted for years im even friendly with one family that used have a licence to net salmon in years gone bye,was even told a story about how a relation of theirs was shot by baliffs at the turn of the century for netting salmon trying to feed his family and died[history lesson over ]I also know a chap whose family still have a licence to net and he told me that once reports of fish start to be told they walk de wall and if they see numbers been landed for themselves they will then set their nets.
On the Bass front i was'nt comparing legit trawlermen to the ones illegally netting Bass and would be stupid to do so and as such i should'nt have been mentioned as it could cause confusion,however you cannot deny illegal Bass netting has'nt gone on inside the harbour alot more this year than in the past few years but as you correctly say this is a completely separate issue and one unfortunately that will never go away.
On the last point im genuinely wondering is it down to target species,low quotas or licence issues why these trawlers could'nt target the quality fish that Dave is refering to outside the harbour.The only reason im asking is because some trawlers down this neck of the the woods have been targetting cod and would like to be a bit more informed and you seem to know what your on about.
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Ahh the Murphy's hope they didn't catch you to buy their new book about the river and their grandfathers shooting for 35 yo yo's

The bass is a completely separate issue as you say and probably best keep out of any planned talks with the commercials re the trawling of the harbour as it may only complicate matters

The reports that "J" is telling you he gets are usually from the pub another guy that couldn't turn on a computer

They just shoot a net in mid October and if successful they continue and if not just leave it for a few tides and try again until they get what they call "a sign"

Blimey your spot on again regarding that book,i nearly got caught but wriggled free at the last second On the other front if those guys want to net there then let them do it in their little punt,id prefer stay on dry land and not be constantly looking over my shoulder for big liners going up and down the channel,not a particularly safe place for any small boats.
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wouldent mind a punt say 50ft long

Yip a punt of 50ft would be a differant story,but it would also be a bigger target in the shipping lane and it is a very busy channel with ships and the like!

wouldent mind a punt say 50ft long

Jazzzus try actually reading the entire thread

The punts are max 16 foot long and are the netters on de wall their numbers have dwindled down to about 2 in recent times. The trawlers out in the harbour one is 30 foot one is 32 foot and one is 40 foot if you want to be precise and none are breaking any law and all are all locally owned and crewed within the harbour itself but if you wish to antagonise them like some done on here in the past so be it, we are the ones down here that have to live with the consequences.

[Pat]

Jim,

I've no problem with the commercial lads making a living and having to trawl the harbour on occasion when the weather is atrocious and conditions outside are sh..e. However, they should only revert to the Harbour as a last resort; when conditions allow they should be outside.

Today is a peach of a day; the sea state outside has improved dramatically. Why then are they trawling right in front of me????

Pat

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It's no secret to anyone surely that Cork harbour is stuffed with fish at this time of the year every year. Is that not what the boats are doing? Fishing for the fish that are there, I fail to see the confusion this causes.

Who here travels any further than they need to to catch the same fish that are local.

It's Black and White really, they decide, lets go catch the fish that are there! Simple. IMO.

Why then are they trawling right in front of me????

Pat

That's easy Pat:

1. to minimise fuel cost
2. less time spent cruising and searching
3. they catch good enough fish here to make it worthwhile
4. not to forget to throw in a bit of the old greed and who cares attitude

and hey presto - there is your answer!

The (unsurprising) result: good for them in the short term, bad for everyone else with a bit of environmental awareness and farsightedness in business terms.
How can you stop that? I don't know but I would love to have an answer to that one...

Nice photo Pat,the sea looks like glass.Pity the commercial lads don't use the site ,as they might be able to admire the quality of the picture if they did.

Nice photo Pat,the sea looks like glass.Pity the commercial lads don't use the site ,as they might be able to admire the quality of the picture if they did.

looks as the commercial lads are too busy making money as opposed to appreciate real beauty

Dave Jolly is on the right track. There needs to be some form of dialogue started. Careful management of the resource is required. The needs of all stakeholders need to be heard and respected. At the moment that ain't happening!

Sry my ignorance here but is that all about the offshore fishermen who are concerned that there will be not enough fish for THEM ?

You know how many people in the world starving or have no access to the sea and want a bit of fish ? I bet offshore fishermen cant supply all the fish people all around the world need ...
And another thing, all the fish which was catched out, was never dumped, so theres a mouth for every fish in the world !

wouldent mind a punt say 50ft long

Jazzzus try actually reading the entire thread

The punts are max 16 foot long and are the netters on de wall their numbers have dwindled down to about 2 in recent times. The trawlers out in the harbour one is 30 foot one is 32 foot and one is 40 foot if you want to be precise and none are breaking any law and all are all locally owned and crewed within the harbour itself but if you wish to antagonise them like some done on here in the past so be it, we are the ones down here that have to live with the consequences.

thats a real hard ship jim having to live with thoses trawelers taking all the flats. and the rest of the cods ,ling and pollock jumping into the cork lads boats 20 lb and over god wish i had such hardship in howth

good god if these 2 small boats can catch all the fish in the harbour there not a lot there ? i cant see the harm in it ?

good god if these 2 small boats can catch all the fish in the harbour there not a lot there ? i cant see the harm in it ?

No ones saying that these two boats alone will wipe out everything in the harbour, its just an example of whats going on. The point is that they are trawling what should be considered a nusery ground. Fish come inshore to spawn. The whole idea of setting limits on where boats can trawl is to protect these areas as we depend on them for future stocks. Surely some sort or designation or SAC status should be placed on the harbour in order to protect it. I understand that the limit from shore on trawling only applies to boats over a certain size and that they have to make a living but trawling the harbour in all weather conditions will have an effect on the stocks maybe not be now but in a few years time.

good god if these 2 small boats can catch all the fish in the harbour there not a lot there ? i cant see the harm in it ?

No ones saying that these two boats alone will wipe out everything in the harbour, its just an example of whats going on. The point is that they are trawling what should be considered a nusery ground. Fish come inshore to spawn. The whole idea of setting limits on where boats can trawl is to protect these areas as we depend on them for future stocks. Surely some sort or designation or SAC status should be placed on the harbour in order to protect it. I understand that the limit from shore on trawling only applies to boats over a certain size and that they have to make a living but trawling the harbour in all weather conditions will have an effect on the stocks maybe not be now but in a few years time.

Careful what you wish for!!!!

That argument may also apply to any catch of fish even catch & release angling, therefore they may use it to make the harbour one of the new CFP's promised NTZs (No Take Zone) that has many informed anglers in the UK in a state of panic. Not many anglers seem to realise this but the EU masters of the CFP believe C&R angling is a bad thing, whilst they class angling for your food source and commercial fishing as a good thing! They now class C&R caught fish as "Discards" part of the very same "Discards" that have made the CFP a complete shambles and the suits in Brussells main aim now is to eliminate discards therefore C&R angling could be facing a far far greater threat than these hand full of small commercials


On another serious note I heard through the grapevine that one of our local town counsellors here has been very busy on De Wall with the past week or two with his new digi camera compiling evidence of discarded litter, and the parking of some cars that are causing an obstruction up on the footpath itself down there This counsellor used to be one of those netting there until last year but has now taken up his role of a TC very seriously and believe me this guy WILL as sure as eggs are eggs cause angling at De Wall problems if anglers give him enough ammunition

Just a heads up regarding de wall,it was "trawled" yesterday sat 12 nov,it might lessen the amount of fish to be caught for a while but might also lessen the amount of rubbish been thrown around the place by a few so called anglers as fewer fish for them to target.

how long are people fishing off DE wall ? how long are trawlers fishing the rivers,,do codling spawn in the rivers ? do anglers fish to pay loans off ? do trawler fish for fun ? i see them on the tv it dont look like fun to me ? more in our line to overthrow the government ? but no we get the dole,,so don't rock the boat ,,,as the man said without being militant,,, the best one yet,,,

how long are people fishing off DE wall ? how long are trawlers fishing the rivers,,do codling spawn in the rivers ? do anglers fish to pay loans off ? do trawler fish for fun ? i see them on the tv it dont look like fun to me ? more in our line to overthrow the government ? but no we get the dole,,so don't rock the boat ,,,as the man said without being militant,,, the best one yet,,,

What exactly is the point you're trying to make here, fisherboy?