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lads this is going to open a can of worms ! first of all these tyres you speak of are not just thrown out into the sea and dumped like some of you mention in previous posts , they are hidden away from the naked eye and placed on certain soil or ground where the crab are likely to be . they are tied together and staked down for the first few months so the strong tides do not carry them away ! after a few months when they have bedded into the ground these (metal bars) that everyone is talking about are removed its just for the first stages ! where on earth do you think the crab you buy in the shops come from ?? they dont grow on trees lads . these are commercial traps and if you take them away you are ruining it for yourselves . and not to mention peoples livelyhoods ! fair enough the place needs to be tidied but only the metal car parts that a load of amateurs who dont know what they are doing put down a while back , just trying to make a quick buck ! some of thses have had these traps out for years and got no complaints until this happend ! so dont penalise the guys who know what they are doing . cheers boycie.

lads this is going to open a can of worms ! first of all these tyres you speak of are not just thrown out into the sea and dumped like some of you mention in previous posts , they are hidden away from the naked eye and placed on certain soil or ground where the crab are likely to be . they are tied together and staked down for the first few months so the strong tides do not carry them away ! after a few months when they have bedded into the ground these (metal bars) that everyone is talking about are removed its just for the first stages ! where on earth do you think the crab you buy in the shops come from ?? they dont grow on trees lads . these are commercial traps and if you take them away you are ruining it for yourselves . and not to mention peoples livelyhoods ! fair enough the place needs to be tidied but only the metal car parts that a load of amateurs who dont know what they are doing put down a while back , just trying to make a quick buck ! some of thses have had these traps out for years and got no complaints until this happend ! so dont penalise the guys who know what they are doing . cheers boycie.

your just going mad cos there wont be any traps left for you to nick crabs out of

lads this is going to open a can of worms ! first of all these tyres you speak of are not just thrown out into the sea and dumped like some of you mention in previous posts , they are hidden away from the naked eye and placed on certain soil or ground where the crab are likely to be . they are tied together and staked down for the first few months so the strong tides do not carry them away ! after a few months when they have bedded into the ground these (metal bars) that everyone is talking about are removed its just for the first stages ! where on earth do you think the crab you buy in the shops come from ?? they dont grow on trees lads . these are commercial traps and if you take them away you are ruining it for yourselves . and not to mention peoples livelyhoods ! fair enough the place needs to be tidied but only the metal car parts that a load of amateurs who dont know what they are doing put down a while back , just trying to make a quick buck ! some of thses have had these traps out for years and got no complaints until this happend ! so dont penalise the guys who know what they are doing . cheers boycie.

whats right about dumping tyres in the sea no matter where it is ?

if people were to put out blocks and tiles people would still complain , well they didnt until a few weeks ago , how come noone made the complaint 15 years ago when the first set of tyres went down ?? why is it only coming out now ??

Ah lads the thoughts of Lynch Anglers Ireland heading down to tidy up the beach is all a bit much. If it's about the right and/or wrong of the matter then it is up to whatever authorities to sort the situation out. Funny how it's another Fine Gael TD jumping on the band wagon over bait collection. I think as anglers the less we have to do with "the hows" of bait collection the better. Like Fintan said in the other thread I buy crab so no matter where I buy it from it is coming from the same place. I don't want to know who, where or how I just want to buy it if I need it.

and the reason tyre are better for it is because of the heat the crab likes to peel , on the low tide on a summers day the sun heats up the tyre and as the water floods over the crab head for the heat and its the perfect place to hide from pedators while they peel , if i had 100 tyres and you have 100 blocks in the same area i would more than likely have double the crab you do . they are the ultimate trap

I don't want to know who, where or how I just want to buy it if I need it.

i grew up in the area and the tyres etc never bothered me or anyone else that i know of,that is an ugly stretch of mostly unused coastline anyway but sadly your attitude is all too common these days and will i think eventually lead to bans/restrictions on fishing,bait collecting in these areas.we have to care and be seen to care about all matters angling....kevin.

I don't want to know who, where or how I just want to buy it if I need it.

i grew up in the area and the tyres etc never bothered me or anyone else that i know of,that is an ugly stretch of mostly unused coastline anyway but sadly your attitude is all too common these days and will i think eventually lead to bans/restrictions on fishing,bait collecting in these areas.we have to care and be seen to care about all matters angling....kevin.

Let me guess you don't buy Nestlé I said let the authorities look after it instead of some vigilante group heading down to clean up the beach. That would only lead to trouble anyway. And if your going to quote me out of context at least hold the morale high ground and tell me you never ever paid for bait. Or bought feathers or other angling gear produced in a sweat shop by kids?

it probably is down to the local authoraties to sort out , who pays for it all to be cleaned up if they decide to clean it up ? the tax payer
fair play boycie i didnt think about how good old tyres are to the crabs well being

my mind works in mysterious ways andrew ha , yeah they really are brilliant its all considered dumping at the end of the day wheather its block , tiles or tyers , so might as well go for the best kind of trap

it probably is down to the local authoraties to sort out , who pays for it all to be cleaned up if they decide to clean it up ? the tax payer

Now now Andrew you know all too well any local authority will waste money every year to keep their budgets up anyway. At least it's going to some use if they do get off their over unionised backsides and shift it.

it probably is down to the local authoraties to sort out , who pays for it all to be cleaned up if they decide to clean it up ? the tax payer

Now now Andrew you know all too well any local authority will waste money every year to keep their budgets up anyway. At least it's going to some use if they do get off their over unionised backsides and shift it.

hmmm very interesting debate. on a tangent just to clarify i'd like to know that the background to this issue is indeed correct? so clarify any flaws i bring up. in the beginning a select few lads commercially crabbed the sutton area on a sustainable basis. now an obscene amount of tyres clutter the area at the hands of greedy non anglers out to make a quick buck? so much so that their actions have now jepordised the livelyhood of the orignal band of bait collectors who have been doing this practice for decades? if so,

its seems unfair to penalise the lads who have been doing it for years. everyone here seems to be living in denial, 'the crab traps are terrible' and 'their horrible pollutants that are wrecking the habitat' mutter the masses. im sure all of you have at some time bought crab in a tackle shop and where the hell did you think it came from? i understand something needs to be done to remove the huge amount of traps, but leave the original ones that have been there for years.

some seem to be arguing that they are bad for the environments. i argue the opposite, if we are at the point of creating man mad reefs from old disused cars to create artificial eco systems then what excactly is the difference here? a certain well known ringsend bait collector, whom i may add produces top quality crab from the area has already shown how valuable these 'eye sores' are to the eco system in the attempt to have these traps registered with the council. they have surely benifited the area and not vice versa. shrimps, small fish and other invertibrae find refuge in the traps which conversly feed birds and larger fish. if somebody could produce hard factual evidence that they are wrecking the local areas habitats by all means step up. eye sore? well most of the traps here are not visable and nor would they want to be! over time, bladder wrack grows over them anyway further boosting there ecological effect.

like i mentioned the fact that there are now a huge number of tyres most of which are new is not on. it doesnt sound sustainable and thats what we should be worried about. i'd be in favour of removing these, but leave the original one alone!

hmmm very interesting debate. on a tangent just to clarify i'd like to know that the background to this issue is indeed correct? so clarify any flaws i bring up. in the beginning a select few lads commercially crabbed the sutton area on a sustainable basis. now an obscene amount of tyres clutter the area at the hands of greedy non anglers out to make a quick buck? so much so that their actions have now jepordised the livelyhood of the orignal band of bait collectors who have been doing this practice for decades? if so,

its seems unfair to penalise the lads who have been doing it for years. everyone here seems to be living in denial, 'the crab traps are terrible' and 'their horrible pollutants that are wrecking the habitat' mutter the masses. im sure all of you have at some time bought crab in a tackle shop and where the hell did you think it came from? i understand something needs to be done to remove the huge amount of traps, but leave the original ones that have been there for years.

some seem to be arguing that they are bad for the environments. i argue the opposite, if we are at the point of creating man mad reefs from old disused cars to create artificial eco systems then what excactly is the difference here? a certain well known ringsend bait collector, whom i may add produces top quality crab from the area has already shown how valuable these 'eye sores' are to the eco system in the attempt to have these traps registered with the council. they have surely benifited the area and not vice versa. shrimps, small fish and other invertibrae find refuge in the traps which conversly feed birds and larger fish. if somebody could produce hard factual evidence that they are wrecking the local areas habitats by all means step up. eye sore? well most of the traps here are not visable and nor would they want to be! over time, bladder wrack grows over them anyway further boosting there ecological effect.

like i mentioned the fact that there are now a huge number of tyres most of which are new is not on. it doesnt sound sustainable and thats what we should be worried about. i'd be in favour of removing these, but leave the original one alone!

so is it immorral to dump / place tyres in the sea ? is it against the law ? is it covered under man made reefs ? can you take sea life from man made reefs put there to promote sea life to the area not just to lure them in to be taken ?

hmmm very interesting debate. on a tangent just to clarify i'd like to know that the background to this issue is indeed correct? so clarify any flaws i bring up. in the beginning a select few lads commercially crabbed the sutton area on a sustainable basis. now an obscene amount of tyres clutter the area at the hands of greedy non anglers out to make a quick buck? so much so that their actions have now jepordised the livelyhood of the orignal band of bait collectors who have been doing this practice for decades? if so,

its seems unfair to penalise the lads who have been doing it for years. everyone here seems to be living in denial, 'the crab traps are terrible' and 'their horrible pollutants that are wrecking the habitat' mutter the masses. im sure all of you have at some time bought crab in a tackle shop and where the hell did you think it came from? i understand something needs to be done to remove the huge amount of traps, but leave the original ones that have been there for years.

some seem to be arguing that they are bad for the environments. i argue the opposite, if we are at the point of creating man mad reefs from old disused cars to create artificial eco systems then what excactly is the difference here? a certain well known ringsend bait collector, whom i may add produces top quality crab from the area has already shown how valuable these 'eye sores' are to the eco system in the attempt to have these traps registered with the council. they have surely benifited the area and not vice versa. shrimps, small fish and other invertibrae find refuge in the traps which conversly feed birds and larger fish. if somebody could produce hard factual evidence that they are wrecking the local areas habitats by all means step up. eye sore? well most of the traps here are not visable and nor would they want to be! over time, bladder wrack grows over them anyway further boosting there ecological effect.

like i mentioned the fact that there are now a huge number of tyres most of which are new is not on. it doesnt sound sustainable and thats what we should be worried about. i'd be in favour of removing these, but leave the original one alone!

so is it immorral to dump / place tyres in the sea ? is it against the law ? is it covered under man made reefs ? can you take sea life from man made reefs put there to promote sea life to the area not just to lure them in to be taken ?

i think your missing the point, i view crabs traps like farming. while yes crabs are being removed from the environment, a lot of other creatures benifit this practice! presumably then your against lobster potting? because that also invlolves dumping stuff into the sea to catch crustaceans? to be honest i dont view crab traps as dumping anyway they are put down with a purpose in mind and are regularily maintained. the emphasis here im stressing is we must continue to do it in a sustainable manner.

hmmm very interesting debate. on a tangent just to clarify i'd like to know that the background to this issue is indeed correct? so clarify any flaws i bring up. in the beginning a select few lads commercially crabbed the sutton area on a sustainable basis. now an obscene amount of tyres clutter the area at the hands of greedy non anglers out to make a quick buck? so much so that their actions have now jepordised the livelyhood of the orignal band of bait collectors who have been doing this practice for decades? if so,

its seems unfair to penalise the lads who have been doing it for years. everyone here seems to be living in denial, 'the crab traps are terrible' and 'their horrible pollutants that are wrecking the habitat' mutter the masses. im sure all of you have at some time bought crab in a tackle shop and where the hell did you think it came from? i understand something needs to be done to remove the huge amount of traps, but leave the original ones that have been there for years.

some seem to be arguing that they are bad for the environments. i argue the opposite, if we are at the point of creating man mad reefs from old disused cars to create artificial eco systems then what excactly is the difference here? a certain well known ringsend bait collector, whom i may add produces top quality crab from the area has already shown how valuable these 'eye sores' are to the eco system in the attempt to have these traps registered with the council. they have surely benifited the area and not vice versa. shrimps, small fish and other invertibrae find refuge in the traps which conversly feed birds and larger fish. if somebody could produce hard factual evidence that they are wrecking the local areas habitats by all means step up. eye sore? well most of the traps here are not visable and nor would they want to be! over time, bladder wrack grows over them anyway further boosting there ecological effect.

like i mentioned the fact that there are now a huge number of tyres most of which are new is not on. it doesnt sound sustainable and thats what we should be worried about. i'd be in favour of removing these, but leave the original one alone!

so is it immorral to dump / place tyres in the sea ? is it against the law ? is it covered under man made reefs ? can you take sea life from man made reefs put there to promote sea life to the area not just to lure them in to be taken ?

i think your missing the point, i view crabs traps like farming. while yes crabs are being removed from the environment, a lot of other creatures benifit this practice! presumably then your against lobster potting? because that also invlolves dumping stuff into the sea to catch crustaceans? to be honest i dont few crab traps as dumping anyway they are put down with a purpose in mind and are regularily maintained.

are tyres not ment to be by law properly recycled ? if they end up on the sea bed then they are not ? sea weed will also grow on just about any surface aswell eric not just rotting tyres?

[boycie89]

you can call it dumping lads but polluting it certainly is not ! these are artificial reefs and the wildlife is thriving out there . so how can anyone say its bad ! if you pull them up yous are doin more damage to the habitat out there than they are

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well technically andrew they are being recycled are they not? they have found a new use which also benifits life? yes we could use other items for traps, but tyres are the perfect shape for the job


meanwhile in newcastle

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you can call it dumping lads but polluting it certainly is not ! these are artificial reefs and the wildlife is thriving out there . so how can anyone say its bad ! if you pull them up yous are doin more damage to the habitat out there than they are

throwing tyres in the sea is good then according to eric and boycie i wont pay the levy then when i get a new tyre i will take it home and throw it in the sea
newsflash old tyres save the sea creatures when used as traps

you can call it dumping lads but polluting it certainly is not ! these are artificial reefs and the wildlife is thriving out there . so how can anyone say its bad ! if you pull them up yous are doin more damage to the habitat out there than they are

throwing tyres in the sea is good then according to eric and boycie i wont pay the levy then when i get a new tyre i will take it home and throw it in the sea
newsflash old tyres save the sea creatures when used as traps

you tell them andrew