Dunlaoghaire-Rathdown restrict angling to designated areas??

I'm not sure this has been mentioned here. Could bring surrounding counties into this issue? Could they actually submit amendments/letters or is is restricted to DL-R residents? I'll explain:

I was thinking that a ban as it is being proposed here would bring pressure onto piers, beaches, etc. in surrounding counties. Just imagine the "summer" :? season with all the anglers in DL piers moving, e.g. to Greystones. They can't possibly fit all into the two tiny Dalkey habours. It wouldn't be long until angling was banned there too... It could have a snowball effect, as it's been mentioned here already.

What would Dalkey residents have to say about it as well? They are wealthy people, some of whom may have some influence in higher spheres of power. I know somebody who lives there and will be getting in touch with them. See what they think.

Just trying to think of more reasons why this unbelievably unfair and stupid ban proposal shouldn't be passed.

Hi all,
He said he wanted to be reasonable but would like some further consessions from anglers. OVER TO YOU WHAT DO YOU THINK? CAN WE GIVE MORE?

NO!
And don't even give them that much. I wouldn't accept any restrictions being put on the right to fish by anybody, least of all by somebody who by his own admission knows nothing about my sport.

I reckon we shouldn't compromise at all. Hold fast and kill this off now. We're getting up a head of steam opposing this proposal. We're getting places. Who is opposing us, who is pushing this through against our wishes? Who is canvassing the council in support of this ban? Who, at the end of the day, is going to stand up against us and slug it out? If anybody does, I bet we'll beat them.

No compromises and no surrender.

I got this response from geroid o'keefe, councillor:

"as a regular angler and 6 times competitor in the all ireland ifsa master angler i will be challenging these new regulations and will not support them."

uvox

as a resident of Sandycove, and someone who has fished the area since 1976, you should be aware that there is a noisy, powerful swimmers lobby active in the sandycove area that has successfully campaigned against water craft and divers in the area too. they're [b]not [/b]interested in sharing the waters with anyone else, and swim all year around. it's much the same group of people who want to introduce pay-for-parking in the area.

can someone reasonable explain to me why the coastline between the DL harbor and Sandycove harbour should not be fished? NO-one swims there, and ironically the council even has a SIGN UP there telling people what fish can be caught there...

I would not concede a single thing to these people.

If I am not mistaken (or outdated), the Bulloch and Coliemore harbours are under control of the OPW anyway - who would have to assess any decision on health and safety grounds.

Bulloch harbour is also tidal - unless they mean fishing off the rocks up the back - there's bugger all water to fish in at low tide, and bugger all to be caught off it unless you're into mullet.

Coliemore is a weed nightmare to fish also.

And the access to these two habours via public transport? A hike from dalkey train station or Sandycove.

Between the flags any time of day or night is really the way to go.
Designate a safe swimming area and let it be sacrosanct.
That's what I'd suggest as a concession, it's reasonable too and giving swimmers their safety when needed, also it's the lesser of a lot of evils that could spread to neighbouring counties.

Hi all,
He said he wanted to be reasonable but would like some further consessions from anglers. OVER TO YOU WHAT DO YOU THINK? CAN WE GIVE MORE?

NO!
And don't even give them that much. I wouldn't accept any restrictions being put on the right to fish by anybody, least of all by somebody who by his own admission knows nothing about my sport.

I reckon we shouldn't compromise at all. Hold fast and kill this off now. We're getting up a head of steam opposing this proposal. We're getting places. Who is opposing us, who is pushing this through against our wishes? Who is canvassing the council in support of this ban? Who, at the end of the day, is going to stand up against us and slug it out? If anybody does, I bet we'll beat them.

No compromises and no surrender.

IMHO this is the way to go......why should anglers give anything away, its not like anglers HOG the beaches or piers.....in all my time fishing (I'm in my 50's) I have not come across any problems with swimmers....the council is making it sound like its trying to solve a massive problem....my personal belief is that someone either on the council or with the ear of a councilor has a hidden agenda tucked away somewhere.

tigerfish....this thing is only a week or so old and your talking of a compromise already.....get real man!! read back through this thread and see what the anglers you represent want.....its what they want thats important.

Tom.

How much do swimmers put into the local economy ? one angler probably puts more money in for a days angling than a swimmer would for a month . between the cost of bait, fuel, food and bits and pieces from the local tackle shop and this is year round wereas swimmers are mainly summer months only .

I dont know how much is spent in Ireland..but in the UK in 1997 the overall spend by anglers across the board was in excess of £3.2 billion.

Saltwater anglers are next to Carp anglers in how much they spend individually on tackle....They are way out in front on how much they spend on travel and the costs that go with that.

What does angling take out of the economy.....well we dont need a lifeguard thats for sure.... :twisted:

Tom.

Denis O'Callaghan

Steven
Thank you for email

I will be tabling amendments to the draft proposals
when the matter comes before Council
Cllr Denis O Callaghan
Cathaoirleach

Does he say what ammendments to the draft proposals he will be tabling? As Cathaoirleach, he's in an influential position. We should know/find out what precisely his intentions are.

Any chance of you replying and asking him directly to clarify, Stephen?

Hi Tanglerat,

I've replied asking for an update and clarification, I'll let people know if and when I hear back.

I think, guys, we should avoid any 'in-fighting'. We know that it's not usually feasible to fish where people are swimming, so why argue over it: lets have something that's already a given be our concession. We can then demand reasonality and concession from any other 'interested' party. If we take what can be called by these 'interested' parties as an unreasonable or intransigent position, they can turn that to their advantage.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Steven

Hi all,
Thanks for the responses to date. Rockhopper I note you say this issue is only a week or so old, I did look at the thread from the start and that was on August 6th. That’s almost TWO MONTHS ago. There have been only 168 replies in total and many of those are repeats. This is only the 7th. most active topic on the site and the 10th. most viewed topic. However this is in my opinion the most important issue to come up as regards freedom of use/access in general and not just for anglers. I do my best to represent the views of the anglers I was elected to represent and that’s why I used up a half day of my leave and went with Brian Cooke to talk to the Chairman of the DLRCOCO to get his opinion. He is one of the elected reps but it was not him who pushed this issue, he was in fact very helpful and he lives beside Corbawn Beach where he has witnessed some hairy antics.
The proposed Bye Laws were drafted by paid officials of the Council who work to the County Manager Mr Owen Keegan. He has had complaints about so called anglers who caused problems, one of whom is reported to have been tournament casting on a beach with swimmers, parents and children, walkers etc. When this angler was asked to desist he got aggressive and said he was trying out his €2000.00 rod and no one was going to stop him. The Gardai were then called. This is one of the stories reported to me.
IFSA and EFSA are working together on this one and we are getting our international angling contacts to voice their opinions as well. Brian Cooke is going to talk at the Leinster League match today to all of the anglers present. There is an Angling Council meeting on Wednesday afternoon (another half day leave to represent people) where I will be asking all of the other member bodies to get involved. For any of you who are members of IFSA, there is a Leinster meeting at the Garda Club Harrington Street on Wednesday night at 8.30 PM. Everyone should write to the councillors and TD’s in DLRCOCO area as this is not just a local issue it is a national one, it is a matter of freedom of use/access.

Where is August the 6th nearly 2 months ago....its the 2nd of September today......anyways....my point was......if someone comes along to take something from you...and thats what is happening here....you dont try to compromise, you fight for what you have surely! otherwise they will keep coming back for more.

As for instances quoted by councilors or anyone for that matter, unless they have concrete evidence with witnesses then its just hear say....think about it.....we as anglers spend more time on or near beaches than anyone, I have never seen anyone tournament casting on beaches near to swimmers....perhaps the €2000.00 rod is a give away to the fairytale.

There are much more problems with safety on the roads and elsewhere, its my opinion that the council think we anglers are either thick or an easy touch to score some points over.

Tom.

Yeah that does sound kinda fishy

I fairness alot of people like me are lurking. Very busy at the moment but next week I'll be ready and able to send off emails. I have contacted people that I know in the county and asked them to complain. there is no need to be aggressive just contact the councilors and point out that you won't be voting for them if they vote for that change.

It would also be a good Idea for people to turn up on the day of the vote there were a couple of county council votes here in Kerry that this has been done at and it seems to have an effect.

What could be pointed out as well is the relaxing effect of fishing,it is very good for dealing with stress.

Do you know what is wrong with the world? It is that people aren't fishing enough :lol: .

i admire all the work done by all volunteers or otherwise on this issue - i would say i fall on rockhoppers side

they want to take something that is ours already and dilute it

whatbout the jetskiers - the dog walkers - the swimmers - are they not all equally prone to some lout behaviour in amongst all the decent partakers per se of said activity

why is it the anglers that have to cede ground on this one?

i know diplomacy is required - but this to me reeks of a boys club wanting a beach to themselves - and if this gets any credence here it will spread to other councils - beaches - areas

and i dont buy the health and safety issue - these accidents etc. will happen anyway

from the highwater mark down is the commons - it has to stay that way - other wise it gets regulated - roofed - and further commercialisation of something that was everybodys

Surely the correct solution for complaints etc would be for the council to broker a meeting between angling reps and the swimmers organisation(s) instead of going straight to legislation? How about asking for that?

In the event of the council saying no, then bang in an FOI request to see who and what is exactly behind this move.

Has EFSA or IFSA (I take it both have appointed lawyers who act on their behalf) even checked whether or not the councils proposals are legal. I pointed out earlier in this thread a case that happened in the UK years ago and the council never even had the right to make a ban.

Tom.

A thought occurred to me today whilst fishing.

These folks want to ban us from angling except in certain designated areas.

In the interests of balance and fairness therefore, all swimming should also be made illegal except in certain designated areas (equal in size to that available to anglers).

See now how unfair it is?

An example like this might be used when challanging/discussing with officials. Feel free to use it.

I have the greatest of admiration for people who give up their free time (which is usually their fishing time!) to attend to the smooth running of our sport. It isn't easyand is generally a thankless task. So, my own respects to those on here that are working on this issue for the vast majority of all anglers.

However, I must point out: you are dealing with professionals, career beaurocrats and full time politicans who have made a black art of compromise and fudging issues to get what they want.

Our most powerful weapon is a simple straightforward "NO" to all and anything they propose.

Once we let them compromise our principles there's no knowing where it'll end. Rod-licences, anyone? Permits to fish certain beaches, perhaps?

. He has had complaints about so called anglers who caused problems, one of whom is reported to have been tournament casting on a beach with swimmers, parents and children, walkers etc. When this angler was asked to desist he got aggressive and said he was trying out his €2000.00 rod and no one was going to stop him. The Gardai were then called. This is one of the stories reported to me.

Grand. There was a problem and the Gardai were called to deal with it. That's fine by me, I can't see anything wrong with that. Looks like there's already a mechanism available to deal with problems. Let them use it.

Anyway, who on earth are they gonna get to enforce this new law? Looks like they'll be calling the Gardai a lot more often in future!

I don't think we should compromise in relation to Blue Flags. Next thing, banning angling between Blue Flags will be the accepted norm nationally.

A common sense approach has worked in every other county, as far as I'm aware, why not here?

Johnathan,

A common sense approach never worked in Germany....ANGLING AS A SPORT IS BANNED if we let these councilors have their own way, they may do the same here.....who knows what their hidden agenda is...it looks like they have one.

Tom.