Seatrout over 40 cms ?

Too many lads are tied up with concern over rules and regulations especially concerning other anglers ! yes , rules are very important and should be abided by but lets all be 100% honest here regarding these rules . there purpose and logic are more often incorrect, i.e closed bass season , bass sizing being over 40cm etc . why can i ask are the sea trout the opposite regarding this golden 40 cm ?.the answer is to protect the mature spawning population in the larger trout ! and to do the opposite with bass is ridiculous. i see lads here holding up large bass and fair play to them. i will not question these reasons for killing or not because i am only concerned with what i do personally . the point is that if a lad kills a 10ib bass the fact is its not as good to eat,it has wiped out a whole shoal of schooling bass for ten or more spawning years by killing the mature 10ib fish also ? ..these same 2ib[ under 40 cm] fish are destined to have high mortality rates anyway and by stopping killing the larger spawning fish there would be many thousands more of them each year . take 3 or 4 two ib fish for the table i say should be the ruling ! the truth is that the rivers are getting hammered with nets at the moment as are the sea bass on our coasts . the recession see's too many lads with alot of time on their hands . a net will catch in one drift as many fish that 10 good anglers may catch in a season . so for the guys overly concerned with questioning ,no ,actually insinuating about worm fishing and killing fish ? people like this should point your criticism and questioning in a more productive direction . ask yourself would you walk down to the river bank at the dead of night and question 3 or 4 lads from the town what they are doing with that net across the pool or challenge the sea hardened punt men landing a catch while your maybe fishing yourself for bass on the pier or what ever! i am not looking for an argument here but just am sick of how political fishing has become .

what puzzles me is although the bass ban is only recent.netting bass and seatrout and salmon has been done since before jesus went to school .these fish have survived the poachers and the polluters.what they wont survive is commercial fishing.
if an angler takes his bass home no matter what size it is [above 14 inchs] to eat and he gets a meal from it this is the hunter returning to the family with his catch. if he puts it back in for what ever reason and a trawler the following week lands the same fish along with all of the fishes family do you think a skipper will look into his nets and say right put back all of them mature fish because they will spawn when a trawler has bass or prohibited fish on board its left on board until the fisheries officer is gone and its then taken away to be sold privately .trawlermen are no different than your local poacher.
the only difference is a license fee and the amount they can take at one time .there is too much hot steam let off on the site about illegal nets.most of these nets have been there and used this time of year for generations.and the bass and seatrout still survive yes alot of thanks and praise must go to anglers for returning juvinille fish[even when it wasent law]but drift netting and poaching has always been there. what hasent been there is greed yes thats the difference with commercial fishing greed no amount is enough. when you look at small fishing villages in the canaries they only take what is needed different days different species and certainly no trawling. distroying habitates and reefs that these fish need to survive.dave bouy just rang me from wexford he is on a beach and there is huge clumps of musselbed all washed in on the shore its that bad he cant fish as its breaking his line. the cause is 2 trawlers up and down for hours last weds all day
id say the bottom they have tore up will now be like a desert for a long time .so which do you see as the biggest threat to our sport the guy who takes a fish home? the poacher?or the greedy bastards raping our coastlines

good on yous lads very well written and i agree
100% the commerciel fishing and greed is
doing the damage and they will all be sorry
one day when they have destroyed all the
reefs and beds and their wont be a fish
left for anybody to catch......

And the European common fisheries policy is the biggest criminal, we only have 12 miles of water of our coast that is Irish water now, and some european trawlers are raping the seas too mate, we used to have 250 miles of water...We had to give them up for the EU.....now they are getting raped to an extent were the fish are being removed from the sea at a rate they can't replace themselves ....check out "oceans 2012" and sign the petition. That would constructive.

http://www.ocean2012.eu/petition?display_language=en

Ridiculous to say that all trawlermen are greedy and sell fish privately you cant lump everyone together.There is a portion of trawlers that do do this kind of thing but not all of them they work damn hard for any money they get and i can tell you that is very little at times i know from first hand experience.Im an angler and always have been even when i was fishing for a living its in all our interests to preserve our fish stocks im sick of these men that risk life and limb to earn a living being put down like this.Should all anglers be lumped together with the louts that scatter their empty beer cans all over beaches and rock marks while out angling?????

no they should not be all lumped together and i agree there is those who have to risk life and limb just to keep up the payments but only because they upgraded to bigger and faster boats greed is a hungry master

i have been a commercial fisherman the last 11 years and to be called a greedy b*****d and the rest makes me sick.its a desperately hard job thats getting harder with tight quotas rising fuel prices having to deal with imports and the rest, listening to some of the posts i am being branded as filth. over the years there have been good men lost to the sea trying to make an honest days living,at the end of the day i'm the same as anyone else just trying to get by

im not calling you filth robbie there are good and bad in every occupation but the antics of a large amount of your workmates leaves a lot to be desired,just last week we had two boats out on the bennett bank in dublin bay forced to cut there ropes by 2 trawlers who were about to ram them if they did not move off the bank.they then trawled the bank and cleaned it out, all for a few ray.do you deny that a lot of commercial fishing boats hide prohibited catch and sell it privatly? it goes on everywhere.the point i was trying to make was all the whinging about poachers who take fish on a small scale compared to the big boys who take it large scale

there is not a hope you would get away with landing black fish ,every time we land s.f.p.a. lads check everything and its the same for any other boat i see landing and as for the close call incident is awful poor seamanship the likes of them are few and far between.

too many lads are tied up with concern over rules and regulations especially concerning other anglers ! yes , rules are very important and should be abided by but lets all be 100% honest here regarding these rules . there purpose and logic are more often incorrect, i.e closed Bass season , Bass sizing being over 40cm etc . why can i ask are the sea trout the opposite regarding this golden 40 cm ?.the answer is to protect the mature spawning population in the larger trout ! and to do the opposite with Bass is ridiculous. i see lads here holding up large Bass and fair play to them. i will not question these reasons for killing or not because i am only concerned with what i do personally . the point is that if a lad kills a 10ib Bass the fact is its not as good to eat,it has wiped out a whole shoal of schooling Bass for ten or more spawning years by killing the mature 10ib fish also ? ..these same 2ib[ under 40 cm] fish are destined to have high mortality rates anyway and by stopping killing the larger spawning fish there would be many thousands more of them each year . take 3 or 4 two ib fish for the table i say should be the ruling ! the truth is that the rivers are getting hammered with nets at the moment as are the sea Bass on our coasts . the recession see's too many lads with alot of time on their hands . a net will catch in one drift as many fish that 10 good anglers may catch in a season . so for the guys overly concerned with questioning ,no ,actually insinuating about worm fishing and killing fish ? people like this should point your criticism and questioning in a more productive direction . ask yourself would you walk down to the river bank at the dead of night and question 3 or 4 lads from the town what they are doing with that net across the pool or challenge the sea hardened punt men landing a catch while your maybe fishing yourself for Bass on the pier or what ever! i am not looking for an argument here but just am sick of how political fishing has become .

Sea trout over 40cm are treated as salmon for the reason that rivers that are closed to salmon fishing can be fished for sea trout, but unscrupulous (or inexperienced) anglers could kill a salmon and think (or claim) it is a large sea trout. Sea trout over 40cm can be killed in many rivers where salmon fishing is open, they just have to be tagged same as you would a salmon.
As for the rest of your post, every fish that is killed is a fish that will not spawn next year, no matter who kills it. It is up to every angler to decide whether he should kill a fish or not. Anglers are not immune to criticism because someone else has taken more fish than them. Witness the huge numbers of salmon allegedly killed and untagged last week in the Moy - some anglers took up to 30 salmon apparently. That is just as reprehensible to me as someone dragging a net through the same pool.

sad news about the moy ! heard this happening on other rivers also .would u belive that a guy on the fermoy stretch of the munster blackwater spilled out a bag of 19 grilse onto the grass ,3 yrs ago to a show a friend of mine . its a sad world when rules are blatantly disregarded ! i am sure many people know of other such stories.

....................the only difference is a license fee and the amount they can take at one time .there is too much hot steam let off on the site about illegal nets.most of these nets have been there and used this time of year for generations.....................

generations of monofil etc?

No one should be alloud to rip up the sea bed
and to say im just making a living is a poor excuse

No one should be alloud to rip up the sea bed
and to say im just making a living is a poor excuse

You're absolutely correct unfortunately I suggest to add Roberto Saviano’s “Gomorrah” to the curriculum as eyeopener about political reality and where our money in fact goes

No one should be allowed to rip up the sea bed?????? Good god the senseless nonsense that comes out of some mouths on this forum is unbeliveable fish are a resource too be shared not kept for any one group.Its in the commerciall mans interest to preserve fish stocks to,thats his livelihood for the future!!!! How many anglers like a fish supper? Does the cod and whiting for them just magicly appear? Good sense and a balance needs to be met not the destruction of a man and his familys living for anothers sport,and answer this,i have heard from the mouth of a game angler himself that last season he caught,killed and SOLD 63 salmon and he was one of the loudest mouths shouting about nets at sea being banned.

answer this,i have heard from the mouth of a game angler himself that last season he caught,killed and SOLD 63 salmon and he was one of the loudest mouths shouting about nets at sea being banned.

I'll answer that.

We're recreational anglers. We fish for sport, not profit.

Anyone who catches and sells fish, caught by whatever means, is a commercial fisherman. In this case, your man is an illegal, unlicenced commercial fisherman and should be regarded and treated as such by everyone from other fishermen to fisheries protection staff to the law courts.

I hope you reported said illegal commercial fisherman to the relevant authorities?

Others will comment on the first part of your post, no doubt.

Have reported him to the fisheries conservancy board for all the good it will do,and like it or not there are more like him and if asked they call themselves anglers,the problems of fish stocks are not solely down to the commerical man but are shared problems with a shared answer.The blame cannot be layed squarely on anyones shoulders.Until you walk a mile in another mans shoes its unfair to criticize,most of the people on here commenting have no idea what goes on on board a fishing boat.

so are you happy that the FIF lobby the minister to water down every fisheries agreement from the EU, even tough the scientific data always says otherwise in terms of quotas

as far as i can see over the last 15-20 years its the same - the data says otherwise but the trawlermen want it brought down

for sure in any group of people there are diligent types but it seems to me that the FIF main priority is to rape the sea now for short term gain - before someone else does it

and it seems the equivalent of the FIF elsewhere in europe does the same - more EU directives not worth the paper they are written on

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No one should be allowed to rip up the sea bed?????? Good god the senseless nonsense that comes out of some mouths on this forum is unbeliveable fish are a resource too be shared not kept for any one group.Its in the commerciall mans interest to preserve fish stocks to,thats his livelihood for the future!!!! How many anglers like a fish supper? Does the cod and whiting for them just magicly appear? Good sense and a balance needs to be met not the destruction of a man and his familys living for anothers sport,and answer this,i have heard from the mouth of a game angler himself that last season he caught,killed and SOLD 63 salmon and he was one of the loudest mouths shouting about nets at sea being banned.

what a ridiculous,ignorant thing to say and while ive no doubt unscrupulous anglers might sell their catch on occasion,i just cant believe you without proof as your obviously mono-celled attidute to the sea gives away your character....making up stories to justify your position on raping and destroying the sea is nothing new.while we all realise you guys work very hard,admirable as it is,its just a real shame you all didnt stay a little longer in the education system as trying to debate matters with your like is kinda like playing handball with a haystack.