Rough grounds:up and over or pulley rigs?

Hi,
These two rigs work in the same way when retrieving (with a fish on the hook, the lead is coming first and away from the seabed).
I prefer the up and over rig because the risk of snood stretching is avoided during the shock of a powerful cast (I use springs on the snood /mainline attachement).In the pulley rigs mainline and snood share the stretching.Also,if you don't use a Breakaway Proper Pulley or a Fox Pulley bead or similars that bends the line at a far less acute angle than a standard swivel., you've got the problem of "line kinking".
What's your opinion?
Of course, if you're fishing rough grounds, you can use a rotten bottom rig,but that's not the point this time.
Richard

Personally over rough ground I pulley rigs are the best option they have never let me down if tied right when other rigs have and regards fox pulley beads and other contraptions are a waste of money I still stick with bead and large swivel :and 80lb mono straight through from lead to hook

I use pulleys and cast them pretty hard and never had a problem, the thing I find good about the pulley is when a fish is on the lead is well clear of any snags. Pulley rigs are both cheap and simple to construct and I've great faith in them. I will use an up and over fishing for rays as I feel the further the hook is from a spikey grip lead the better chance of hooking up.

Up n over rigs are fine on clean ground, on dirty ground the fish ain't hard on the bottom so Pulley better!


Pulley rigs with Trabucco rigs and hooks hard to beat!!!!

Personally over rough ground I pulley rigs are the best option they have never let me down if tied right when other rigs have and regards fox pulley beads and other contraptions are a waste of money I still stick with bead and large swivel :and 80lb mono straight through from lead to hook

What size of swivel do you use?

I always believed that the up and over or long and low was designed to give an increased distance between the lead and the hookbait for a more natural presentation? surely on rough ground a shorter hooklength would be less inclined to snag?
When the pulley is retrieve, devoid of fish or bait, the hooks drag way behind the lead and I find this snags more often than the pulley under the same circumstance.
My personal preference for rough ground would be pulley if a big cast is required or a running paternoster with the tail of the paternoster made of a weak link which serves two purposes, firstly it may snap if you are snagged, secondly if you are after big fish and they go to ground, because it is a running rig the fish will not be tethered to the lead if you snap off.

Pully ! Big swivel and big beads and an escape link or rotten bottom.

Could someone put up a diagram or a link for an 'up and over' rig?

Cheers

Could someone put up a diagram or a link for an 'up and over' rig?

Cheers

Google "long and low rig" their the same thing.
As others have said, its pretty useless over rough ground.

Could someone put up a diagram or a link for an 'up and over' rig?

Cheers

Up and over rig: http://fishingrigz.com/fishing-rigs/up- ... r-rig.html

Could someone put up a diagram or a link for an 'up and over' rig?

Cheers

Up and over rig: http://fishingrigz.com/fishing-rigs/up- ... r-rig.html

Cheers!..