salmon

just in case any one is intrested was out in helvic tonight and seen several trawlers landing boxes of SALMON one had 140 fish thought the season was over since 5/8??????????????
ART/

Check the Conservation Forum for the phone number, and make a call???

Which port were the salmon being landed in and what was the date?

Which port were the salmon being landed in and what was the date?

hi Roger
helvic peir outside dungarvan Co Waterford
its on going they go out at 5/6 in the evening shoot the nets and wait till dusk/dark before hauling
they usualy have someone watching the baillifs depot in carrigh on suir
this will continue for several months they also go out on foggy /bad days
i also know where they meet the guy who buys the fish late at night/early morn.
this same thing goes on each year some boats/poachers fish until xmas
want to see for yourself???
also tons of bass netted each sum/aut/winter????
one punt had 10 boxes of 1/2 lb/2lb schoolies last week in they big tides
the local rivers get the same nettinmg
want the names of the boats involved???
only way to stop/ reduce this would to have a local baillif/ (me?)
want to know about polloution????
there is also alot pf berried v.notched lobsters sold localy
the bassnetters also catch alot of sea trout in summer fish to 6lbs
Salmon/seaT running colligan river (waterford)
1985; 2005 2025
summer salmon 400 summer sal. est. 50+/- 0
sea t. over 2lb 3500 sea t. over 2lb 500/600 0
sea t. under 2lb 10000 sea t. under 2lb 1500/2000 ?
local rivera tay/manon/ect.decrese the same
all heavely netted upriver
eaustarys netted by bassnetters the drift netters get the summer salmon
DRIFTNETS bycatch of one punt fishing off helvic 05 season
dolphins 1
basking sharks 15
blue shark 4
3 leatherback turtles
1tope
2 large bass
50 sea birds puffins/razorbills/ect.
2 sunfish
2 seals
lots of other fish macks/scad/pollock/ect.
+ 200 salmon avarage 5.5/6lb
DRIFTNET BUYOUT
the boats will then hammer the bass. easy to sell 4 euro per lb
increse in seatrout by catch??????????????
i could stop most of the above in a few months
if i had the power
otherwise the fish/fishing will continue to deteaturate
one question Roger how do u c the future say in 5 years????
Arthur

That's a lot of in-depth info.

Question is, what can any individual with this sort of info do about it????

http://www.sea-angling-ireland.org/bull ... php?t=3148

Pick up the phone and make that call. Insist on finding out who you speak with. Follow up with a letter to them, cc it to their boss so they can see action is needed. Indeed, cc it to Pat the Cope.

Demand action. Demand it now. Get a few other fellow forum members local to the area involved. Show them some of the shennanigans and get them writing in too.

This topic could go into the Conservation Forum.

Good on ya for standing up and shouting out.

surely at least some of "guest's" report is a bit, well, odd? a by catch from one boat of 15 basking shark(so far south?) 3 turtles(!)but only 2 seals only 1 tope but 4 blues (i'm assuming too that they are netting close in) - sorry i'm not buying this!

Where are you based Raymondo? There are basking sharks off Dunmore East in the summer, can't see why they shouldn't have them as well around Dungarvan

There is a rock mark on the seaward side of Helvic head and many basking sharks have been seen from it over the years. Its becoming a notable whale watching spot, so I can vouch for the basking.

A mate of mine from Dungarvan fishes out of Helvic a lot and has seen Baskings, Leatherbacks and sunfish so I dont doubt what Arthur is saying

its the numbers! or more exactly the ratios, four times as many blues as tope/ more than seven times as many basking shark as seals/more turtles than seals etc etc. no one is suggesting that basking shark do not exist in the south east or even that they are especially rare down there but they are:-
(a)endangered and therefore i would suggest rare every where
(b) a planckton feeder more commonly found in colder waters so if one small boat catches 15 as a by catch in waters where they are not particularly common i think it is odd.
likewise if there are four blue shark to every tope in coastal waters i find this odd, tope are a coastal fish blues are a fish of open water salmon nets are coastal therefore why so many blues? as for leatherback turtles these are a seasonal visitor from the carribean for one boat to catch so many? the sun fish, seals etc i do not have a problem with believing. i just find the numbers very odd (surprized no tuna/amberjack - or perhaps these were spirited away due to their high commercial value!)

Its becoming a notable whale watching spot-drseafish
ok so why no whales caught?

no wonder so many of the fisheries are fecked!! probably only the tip of the iceberg - would have to say species distributions are changing considerably as the species prey assemblages go haywire

just in case any one is intrested was out in helvic tonight and seen several trawlers landing boxes of SALMON one had 140 fish thought the season was over since 5/8??????????????
ART/

art/ today 30/8/05
baillifs around last 2 days
all the driftnetters know the fishery protection boat(about 45ft )
has been hideing under the cliffs just west of mine head all day
they also supect that some guy who walked down the pier was a(undercover baillif?) however he was he paid a lot of attention to the main boats involved.as soon as he went they to began to haul the nets out .
ART/

That's a lot of in-depth info.

hmm it certainly is a lot of in depth info?
which begs the questions..............

how does he know all of this?
how long has he been watching these people?
how does he know that they know who the bailiffs are and when they are around?
how does he know that the fisheries patrol boat had been hiding under the cliffs?

i also know where they meet the guy who buys the fish late at night/early morn. how? and how exactly have you been watching watching them without being caught?

for someone who has this much info on something like this makes u wonder whether he knows someone from this illegal fishing gang or whether hes some kind of undercover reporter or something.something tells me somethings not right,he must have been watching these people for a long time,i dunno,maybe hes an innocent person standing up for the likes of us but like i say,too much info makes it suspicious.
id say,check all this out 1st,see who this arthur is,see if his story stands up,etc etc.

Might this be the living cliché, poacher turned gamekeeper? :wink:

Which port were the salmon being landed in and what was the date?

hi Roger
helvic peir outside dungarvan Co Waterford
its on going they go out at 5/6 in the evening shoot the nets and wait till dusk/dark before hauling
they usualy have someone watching the baillifs depot in carrigh on suir
this will continue for several months they also go out on foggy /bad days
i also know where they meet the guy who buys the fish late at night/early morn.
this same thing goes on each year some boats/poachers fish until xmas
want to see for yourself???
also tons of bass netted each sum/aut/winter????
one punt had 10 boxes of 1/2 lb/2lb schoolies last week in they big tides
the local rivers get the same nettinmg
want the names of the boats involved???
only way to stop/ reduce this would to have a local baillif/ (me?)
want to know about polloution????
there is also alot pf berried v.notched lobsters sold localy
the bassnetters also catch alot of sea trout in summer fish to 6lbs
Salmon/seaT running colligan river (waterford)
1985; 2005 2025
summer salmon 400 summer sal. est. 50+/- 0
sea t. over 2lb 3500 sea t. over 2lb 500/600 0
sea t. under 2lb 10000 sea t. under 2lb 1500/2000 ?
local rivera tay/manon/ect.decrese the same
all heavely netted upriver
eaustarys netted by bassnetters the drift netters get the summer salmon
DRIFTNETS bycatch of one punt fishing off helvic 05 season
dolphins 1
basking sharks 15
blue shark 4
3 leatherback turtles
1tope
2 large bass
50 sea birds puffins/razorbills/ect.
2 sunfish
2 seals
lots of other fish macks/scad/pollock/ect.
+ 200 salmon avarage 5.5/6lb
DRIFTNET BUYOUT
the boats will then hammer the bass. easy to sell 4 euro per lb
increse in seatrout by catch??????????????
i could stop most of the above in a few months
if i had the power
otherwise the fish/fishing will continue to deteaturate
one question Roger how do u c the future say in 5 years????
Arthur

surely at least some of "guest's" report is a bit, well, odd? a by catch from one boat of 15 basking shark(so far south?) 3 turtles(!)but only 2 seals only 1 tope but 4 blues (i'm assuming too that they are netting close in) - sorry i'm not buying this!

basking sharks common off helvic have cought up to 7 in 1 day east wind brings them in close
up to mid 80S several daneish fishing boats hunted B.S.s with harpoon mounted in bow would also buy them off d.netters in helvic
seals
very clever few get entangled seals raid nets every day many shot
blues
very common in summer have seen within 100 meters of coast
most get entangledtrying to pinch salmon from nets
netting
usualy within 1 mile of coast

Its becoming a notable whale watching spot-drseafish
ok so why no whales caught?

whales
strong enough to brake nets

That's a lot of in-depth info.

hmm it certainly is a lot of in depth info?
which begs the questions..............

how does he know all of this?
how long has he been watching these people?
how does he know that they know who the bailiffs are and when they are around?
how does he know that the fisheries patrol boat had been hiding under the cliffs?

i also know where they meet the guy who buys the fish late at night/early morn. how? and how exactly have you been watching watching them without being caught?

for someone who has this much info on something like this makes u wonder whether he knows someone from this illegal fishing gang or whether hes some kind of undercover reporter or something.something tells me somethings not right,he must have been watching these people for a long time,i dunno,maybe hes an innocent person standing up for the likes of us but like i say,too much info makes it suspicious.
id say,check all this out 1st,see who this arthur is,see if his story stands up,etc etc.

to answer the above questions
contacts
eyesight
check me out?
check this out lot of bass will be netted on sandbar outside oyster beds in dungarvan bay over the next cupple of nights the nets will be put out about .5 hour before L.W. up to 5 20 ft. punts involved each with .5 or more of amile of netting.
art/

but that still doesnt answer my questions?

how do u know all of this info?
who and where have u sourced all this info from?
who are your contacts?
how do u know whats being caught and when?
how do u know when the fisheries boat is out and where it hides?
how do u know when the bailiffs are out and who they are?
you say some guy walked down the pier (plain clothed im assuming),and u said he was an undercover bailiff,how do u know that? for all u know it might have been a member of the public walking down that pier.

u see the thing is,if he was an undercover bailiff and he had an ounce of suspicion of illegal salmon fishing he would have lifted the lot of them there and then and the police would have been involved,hes hardly gonna watch them for a few minutes knowing that they are going stall with their nets until hes gone.thats like saying a bailiff catches someone without a licence whos fishing a riverbank and he turns a blind eye,it aint gonna happen mate.
i get the feeling that either your an ex poacher turned informer,or you was part of the gang and theyve cut u out of the deal,or better still,you are part of that gang and your setting them up to get knicked.

either way,theres still of a lot of unanswered questions.

but that still doesnt answer my questions?

how do u know all of this info?
who and where have u sourced all this info from?
who are your contacts?
how do u know whats being caught and when?
how do u know when the fisheries boat is out and where it hides?
how do u know when the bailiffs are out and who they are?
you say some guy walked down the pier (plain clothed im assuming),and u said he was an undercover bailiff,how do u know that? for all u know it might have been a member of the public walking down that pier.

u see the thing is,if he was an undercover bailiff and he had an ounce of suspicion of illegal salmon fishing he would have lifted the lot of them there and then and the police would have been involved,hes hardly gonna watch them for a few minutes knowing that they are going stall with their nets until hes gone.thats like saying a bailiff catches someone without a licence whos fishing a riverbank and he turns a blind eye,it aint gonna happen mate.
i get the feeling that either your an ex poacher turned informer,or you was part of the gang and theyve cut u out of the deal,or better still,you are part of that gang and your setting them up to get knicked.

either way,theres still of a lot of unanswered questions.

art
after u get your head out ring the s.f.r.b. ask them
show them this anyone else that u think might be intrested
ARTHUR