roach v rudd

having read the last post on using roach has anybody ever used rudd.if so any success.
there is a pool stuffed full of two and three inch roach n rudd very close to where i live
so am willing to give them both a try over the next couple of months .then i will let you know
how we got on with them.




every fisherman likes to dangle somthing to see what he can catch

Why not just use bait ment for sea fishing

Why not just use bait ment for sea fishing

Totally agree shane.

who says roach or rudd should not be used for sea fishing. as i understand it bass are predatory fish
and wouldnt stop and think this is a coarse fish i wont eat that ( GULP GONE-FISH ON)
just because you dont hear of them being used as bait, does'nt you can't. i am sure a pike angler
would'nt think that he shoul'nt use mackrel-sprats or herring because they come from the sea.
if the first pike angler who used a sea fish for bait was put of by negativity where would it be now

who says roach or rudd should not be used for sea fishing. as i understand it Bass are predatory fish
and wouldnt stop and think this is a coarse fish i wont eat that ( GULP GONE-FISH ON)
just because you dont hear of them being used as bait, does'nt you can't. i am sure a pike angler
would'nt think that he shoul'nt use mackrel-sprats or herring because they come from the sea.
if the first pike angler who used a sea fish for bait was put of by negativity where would it be now

Haha ok if they are so good how come they are not used more I'm fishing 17 years and good old sea baits have never let me down. Why use Rudd when there are lots of sea fish that can be used for bait people spend to much time thinking of thick ways to catch fish instead of fishing and keeping it simple

who says roach or rudd should not be used for sea fishing. as i understand it Bass are predatory fish
and wouldnt stop and think this is a coarse fish i wont eat that ( GULP GONE-FISH ON)
just because you dont hear of them being used as bait, does'nt you can't. i am sure a pike angler
would'nt think that he shoul'nt use mackrel-sprats or herring because they come from the sea.
if the first pike angler who used a sea fish for bait was put of by negativity where would it be now

Haha ok if they are so good how come they are not used more I'm fishing 17 years and good old sea baits have never let me down. Why use Rudd when there are lots of sea fish that can be used for bait people spend to much time thinking of thick ways to catch fish instead of fishing and keeping it simple

Simple is the best way to go but as I said in the previous post the fella that I knew who used roach/rudd for bass started to do so after gutting a decent bass and finding it full of the coarse fish. As I also stated I think where he was fishing had some influence in the success. Any preditor patrolling sea gates in a barrage is bound to feed on the coarse fish flushed by the gates.
Scent aside there wouldn't be much difference in appearance between a roach and a sprat to a preditor.
Even though both of my posts in reply to this subject have been pro roach/rudd I will not be tempted to try them out on any of the bass marks I fish as I dont think course fish form any part of the natural diet. Certain beaches here in Clare seem to favour particular baits with lug sandeel and razor all producing in certain conditions.

anyone ever use deep fried mars bars?

anyone ever use deep fried mars bars?

I tried too, but I kept scoffing them before I got a chance to put one on a hook

Before you start using Roach or Rudd as bait, maybe you should look up the law on killing coarse fish. As the law stands you are only allowed to take 4 fish. Hardly enough bait for a session. In fact in waters controlled by Waterways Ireland, i.e. canals, you are not allowed take any. Only last week Carlow County Council passed a bye law making it illegal to take any coarse fish from any water in Carlow. Most coarse angling clubs and Feds. are campaigning for full catch and release on all Irish waters.

Before you start using Roach or Rudd as bait, maybe you should look up the law on killing coarse fish. As the law stands you are only allowed to take 4 fish. Hardly enough bait for a session. In fact in waters controlled by Waterways Ireland, i.e. canals, you are not allowed take any. Only last week Carlow County Council passed a bye law making it illegal to take any coarse fish from any water in Carlow. Most coarse angling clubs and Feds. are campaigning for full catch and release on all Irish waters.

i think this came about with all the foreign nationals taking everything that swims from the rivers lakes and canals all over the country .
with some luck this recession might help the same waters recover to there former glory:wink:

Interesting replies here.

Scent aside there wouldn't be much difference in appearance between a roach and a sprat to a preditor.

Do roach/rudd have much of a scent or a stink off them? I agree with early posts on why not sticking to sea baits for sea fish but if pike anglers can use mackerel and herring for their fishing why cant we use roach/rudd for our fishing. Keeping in mind the laws of course.

I think where he was fishing had some influence in the success. Any preditor patrolling sea gates in a barrage is bound to feed on the coarse fish flushed by the gates.

Intrigued by this as I know of a fresh water pond near enough a sea mark that holds fish. Could be interesting to give it a try with a few tiddler roach/rudd. For a laugh. Nothing serious. Again within catch laws...

Do roach/rudd have much of a scent or a stink off them? I agree with early posts on why not sticking to sea baits for sea fish but if pike anglers can use mackerel and herring for their fishing why cant we use roach/rudd for our fishing. Keeping in mind the laws of course.

they have about as much oil and scent as a box of cornflakes thats why pike anglers like to use mack and herring as bait cos the amount of oil and scent thats in them

they have about as much oil and scent as a box of cornflakes thats why pike anglers like to use mack and herring as bait cos the amount of oil and scent thats in them

Good man Shane. Not so fond of the idea now. Or the idea of you going around sniffing cereal boxes for that matter but what ever floats your boat and all that.

Has mackerel never work for you?! It's like the blueys thing. Why bother when mac is cheap, readily available and works!

they have about as much oil and scent as a box of cornflakes thats why pike anglers like to use mack and herring as bait cos the amount of oil and scent thats in them

Good man Shane. Not so fond of the idea now. Or the idea of you going around sniffing cereal boxes for that matter but what ever floats your boat and all that.

im not a cereal sniffer i swear