Pulley advice

any suggestions will be greatly appreciated - and slagging i probably deserve it for missing something obvious as usual

my pulleys just seem to let me down all the time - rig body 50lb 2-3 foot and snood 18lb 1-1.5 foot (amnesia) - but no matter what 2 things happen

1. the damn thing unclips on casting and snood wraps around rig body leaving the bait tight to the rig body presumably a foot or so off the ground from the grip lead ie not fishing on the bottom

2. it doesnt unclip on casting - but when i retrieve its the same result - bait wrapped around main rig body - not fishing

i never really catch anything on the pulleys this has generally been going on years now - then I change back to paternoster and the doggies bite etc. - im confident the bait is on the floor - albeit losing distance with the bait flapping round

its always the snood round the rig body - maybe im overthinking this but any advice would be great thanks

I tend to only use impact leads for my clipdown rigs, rather than the gemini genie clips.

This should help you with both the rig unclipping during your cast and also it not unclipping at all - very reliable

Whilst you may save a few quid using the cheaper gripper leads for all your fishing, its worth investing in some proper impact leads for using with your clipped rigs.

Regarding your rig being tangled when your retrieve it, I'd say most of that happens when you reel it it, but I guess it would be difficult to prove/disprove this

There are plenty of specialist beads/clips for making pulley rigs, here's an example.

http://www.gerrysfishing.com/shop_detai ... 84&tabID=3

I havent tried them myself, as I havent felt the need to.

You could always make your fixed paternoster a clipdown rig, ......worth experimenting.

I use the breakaway coil crimps for my clipdown rigs, as it means you can reposition the crimp with ease, if you need to change your hook length.

Next time we're out, I'll bring the coil crimps for you to have a look at.

Well i use 50lbs clear rig body but i use the same 50 lbs rig body for the snood and make it nearly the same length as the main body of the rig... This stops the snood wraping around the main body like you mentioned, and the longer snood will ensure the bait is on the bottom! i always use a breakaway gripper with my pullys, far better then the links in my opinion! give it a go works very well for me!

chris

Forgot to add, I use 25-40lb for my hook length, depends on where I'm fishing and what I'm hoping to catch.

simple enough solutions here, you snood is far too short in respect to your rig body and in my opinion the braking strain of your snood is too light.

your snood should be about 1 inch shorter than your rig body, basically the longest you get get away with, otherwise your putting most of casting pressure on the snood. more a safety thing than presentation thing.

upping the diameter of the snood line will reduce tangles, this is a given. the only time i ever use a pulley is for larger fish with larger baits so i never really go below 30lb test. if you want to use a lighter breaking strain your far better off just making a one hook cliped.

breakaway leads are fool proof and are the only reliable way of making clip down rigs in my opinion. i dnt use any others.

i think youve hit the nail on the head there - the snood is too short and too light

as regards being fool proof - ahem

well i did say i deserve the slaggin!

I'd also try experimenting with different line for the snood. I've found Amnesia can tangle a bit and it is very thin for it's breaking strain. Clip down leads are a must though. In saying that the Gemini link clips are ok but at least with the leads you get the push to release the hook.

I have for a while now been using a 5ft length of 60lb mono with a fox pulley bead and a crimp and bead where the swivel usualy goes so your fishing a continuous rig of 60lb straight through, had hounds and bass on it during the summer with no probs and no tangles.Unless im fishing in realy rough ground ill use an impact lead.

thanks for the replies all - good information there

Well i use 50lbs clear rig body but i use the same 50 lbs rig body for the snood and make it nearly the same length as the main body of the rig... This stops the snood wraping around the main body like you mentioned, and the longer snood will ensure the bait is on the bottom! i always use a breakaway gripper with my pullys, far better then the links in my opinion! give it a go works very well for me!

chris

Would agree with the above. Try to make you rig body and snood more or less the same length (well the rig body maybe an inch or 2 longer) you should see the difference in your rig not tangling. I use impacts and genie clips and haven't really had the same issues as yourself with my pulleys

P.s not a fan of pulleys either, not too good for east coast whiting

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i think like this is easier


http://www.youtube.com/v/eJzOYkNtkOo&hl=en_US&fs


cheers for the link mark

sorry i had to run there. heres one from the man himself-

http://www.totalseamagazine.com/Videos/ ... /video_34/

sorry i had to run there. heres one from the man himself-

http://www.totalseamagazine.com/Videos/ ... /video_34/

it interesting that he was using 2 different strength lines - but he did labour on the point about keeping the pressure on the heavier line

good video

This happens from time to time to my pulley rigs. I found the strength of line determines how long the snood can be. On some of my pulley rigs I use 20lb flouro. the longest snood I can get with this is about a 2ft snood. Stressing what eric pointing out there... the snood length has to be marginally smaller than the main line. I got the best rig through trail and error

B
Pulley rigs account for most of my fishing. For the bodies I use 60, 70 and 80 lb Sakuma. For the Shannon the hooklength will be the same material, before anybody says this is too heavy its been working fine for years. Rigs will be 3-4 feet in length. I was once told that the perfect length of snood when clipped up meant that the top beads would be pressing the knot on the snood swivel, but I find them hard to tie that accurately so I make the snood about an inch shorter than the body.
For bass when the tide is not running too fast i will use 28lb flourocarbon but as you pointed out this is liable to tangle in heavier conditions, in which case I use a shortened version of the rig of about 18 inches with 13.6kg amnesia hook length.
Try experimenting with a few extra beads on the'hooklength'side of the main swivel as this seems to keep the snood clear of the body.

NEIL

Hi guys,
I have a bit of a prob with pulley pennels as well, but slightly different.... any help appreciated.
I've noticed that my big baits, although tied tight with thread, tend to always slide up the snood, along with the top hook - and as far as I can see, don't fish at all when theyre like this.

I've tried different scenarios, such as wrapping thread the whole way along, with a couple of wraps around the top hook then back down along and finish with a few around the bottom hook. The problem with this I find, is the two hooks then get pulled together, causing the 'sausage' to fold over, reducing in size and presentation etc.

The way I would normally tie off a pennel would be to shove the top hook completely up out of the way. Then I would thread on my sausage to the bottom hook and shove half of it up past the eye. I'd then tie along with thread, ensuring to put a good few wraps around the bottom hook as well, so it maintains contact with the bait.
Finally, I would slide back down the top hook, put two twists of line around it, and then put it through the top of the bait.

Unfortunately for some reason, 80% of the time the bait makes off up the snood, or else it comes back in like a ball, with the two hooks side by side.
Am I missing something here (and showing my ignorance ) or is the way I'm going about it correct?
Thanks.

I'm surprised your bait is getting caught up like that SM. I would never add thread to the pennel hook though. Maybe a couple more twists of your line around the hook, or I sometimes put some tubing up the line and then slide the pennel hook into it. It stiffens up the hook and will hold your bait in place.

The best way to counteract this securityman is to get a bit of silcone tubing pass it through the line through twice, making sure not to overlap the line and not to cause a knot then pass a sequin and a bead. you have the perfect bait stop and your bait wont go anywhere.

if you like pulley rig. try out a few dropper rig... trust me your catch will go up by at least 20%. one of the best rigs out there

the dropper rig looks like it wouldnt be much use for distance casting though