LONG RANGE FLOAT TACTICS ????

I am fishing the Daiwa Irish Pairs for the first time this year and am trying to make a long range (120yds+) float rig for Gars. I have made a few prototypes but I am sure there are some better and more effective designs out there.

My rig consists of the float attached directly onto the shockleader via a swivel with bead and crimp below and no bead and crimp above, the hook is clipped down to an impact lead. Upon hitting the water the hook is released and the float slides up along the shock leader to the surface.

Any design ideas and do's and dont's would be much appreciated.

your best bet mate is to cast out a 2 hooked clipped rig but before you do that put a bead on your main line then a swivel then a bead then a float then your rig. have you got me so far ? off the swivel tie about 18 inch of line and a size 4 FINE WIRE

your best bet mate is to cast out a 2 hooked clipped rig but before you do that put a bead on your main line then a swivel then a bead then a float then your rig. have you got me so far ? off the swivel tie about 18 inch of line and a size 4 FINE WIRE thats all we can use this year for gars. and cast as normal your leader knot will act as a stopper then watch the gars jump about your hook. this will be my 6th year if i can help more pm me good luck hope to see you there

well this approach you may laugh at but so was i until it bet me in a comp

if you half fill a 500ml coke bottle and use it as your weight on anormal 1 hook clipped rig you will get a fair cast and it acts as a float and the snood will fish a few feet beneath the surface,

beleive me it works dont knock it until you try it

regards

mickeyfish

Hi Fishman,

When you say put a bead, swivel, bead and float on the mainline, do you mean on the shockleader.

I understand most of what you are saying, it is not the easiest thing to describe!!

How is the float attached to the leader?? and is the 18" snood clipped down to anything??

I read that there was a ban on carp hooks alright but are we limited to a size 4 fine wire?

why not try a split rig, you can make it to a length of 25ft, it folds back on itself to make a castable rig, put one hook on the top of the rig body for gars and two hooks on the bottom for what ever else there is, basically a very long one up 2 down.

I'd love to see pics of these rigs to get a better idea. Can you guys draw some sort of basic diagrams in MS paint or the likes?

[Adam S]

i have used a similar (ish) type rig, before, not in a match though. all i got on it was mackerel (no gars which were the target) but it did work.

the float is kind of a flying rig, but you could modify it to have juat a lead on the bottom, instead of a rig, and have two hooks floating.

lets see how best to get it across.

ok below the shockleader have any rig you want for the bottom. at the point where the bottom rig joins the shockleader have a cascade swivel, or just a clip above the join on the shockleader you could use an srt spring to tension it, i just set the tension yourself with the sliding crimp or stop mentioned below)

directly above the clip or cascade swivel (on the shockleader) have a crimp that is crimped on but free to slide a bit (so you can set it).

above this have a bead , then float, then bead. now the float, what i used was basically a big (1 inch dia) floating bead (but any float with a big enough central bore would do, i would try to bore out the centre to make it wide enough to slide directly onto the shockleader and up over the knots rather than attach it with a swivel, if its on a swivel it will flap about on hte cast and reduce your distance a lot), with the hole bored out wide enough to allow it to slide freely over the mainline to shock knot.

now, the bead above the float also has to be wide enough bore to go over the knots, or else you can leave this bead out (wont make any diference)

so above this bead, or else directly above the float, have your gar trace, attached to the line with a big clip swivel. set the tension with your crimp. clip he hook on your gar trace onto your cascade swivel or bait clip and whack it out.

clear as mud i will put up a diagram

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great diagram adam mate, never though of that rig, one for the rig wallet definitely

Thanks for that Adam...

This might be worth a look too... [url]http://www2.arnes.si/~sopibaha/index.htm[/url]

Clever one that, use floaty beads regularly but strangely never thought of having one running on the shock.

Nice diagram Adam.It is a hard thing to describe without a picture.

I sent an email to paul stevens asking about what rig design he uses when targeting the gars, his stressed the need to target gars with multi hook rigs as they are easy to catch in doubles and trebles when on the feed.

His rig again consists of floats on the shockleader. He uses carp tubing connected with bubble floats and 18" snoods coming off the bubble floats. He said people were laughing at him until he kicked everybodies ass with this rig on ventry a few years back.

He said that distance is not a problem either, as long as you can put the rig between 40-80yds you should be amongst the gars.

Paul runs UltraMarine in the UK, his website is http://www.ultramarineuk.co.uk. There are quite a few interesting items on this website.

hi john

yeah i think you could do something very similar for a multi hook rig. i usually just have it on to pick up an extra gar or mack while i have a bottom bait out for huss or ray, but you could tweak it a bit to just fish for gars.

you could seperate the individual hook snoods with wide bore rig tubing alright, or maybe use one snood with some dropper hooks?

Hi John, How are you keeping. If you get a copy of the latest Sea Angler Mag it has a rig which would be usful for you. It is one designed by Ian golds for exactly the task you are looking at. I think its called a split rig or something. Basically the top snood could be up to 25 feet from the lead, but the rig is kept fairly short by incorporating a fold in the centre which has a release mechanism on impact of the lead on casting.
let me know if you get to see it, or i could send it on to you.

Tony..

Cheers tm.