Master Angler Comp

Do whatever jd, i say what i think and if thats a crime so be it.

You abuse people. You neeed to grow up,learn some manners, and get rid of that chip on your shoulder.
I take it you are not going to apologise for the abusive posts and pms?
jd

2 good anglers...?
would you care to elaborate on who they were?
even to make that judgement let us all know who you are....?????

Not really, Hairy. It's technospeak for "we know where you live". A lot of the mods/admins on here are good with all that computery stuff and know some nifty little tricks. And as I remember mentioning some time back, just like tapered shockleaders, their patience has a thin end. And just like the Billy Goats Gruff, they don't much like trolls.

For anyone that might miss the reference, check [url=http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/type0122e.html]here[/url]:

http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/type0122e.html

And for anyone who thinks they're hard - you're on your third goat, mate.

i know what yous meant sandman i just was leaving it for you or another to let him know because it isnt my job to do so..........

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in other words we know who you are, where you are.. alot if info in those scripts and ip's

i think that worked :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

i think that worked :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Maybe now we can get back to the fishing. A few drops of rain keep everyone indoors and this is what happens ... :roll:

goodday to you to coneflex or J.C. or what ever you want to be called

i have qualified to go to wexford this year and would gladly like to meet you for a chat regarding how i qualified for this years master angler, however i doubt if youll com to the headquaters at the saltees hotel in kilmore quay, or who knows the ifsa annual general meeting in monaghan in november
anyway in our club the carrickfergus beach & rockers we have 35 members , we fish twelve legs of a master angler league which basically means we are competing against over 300 anglers to deserve the right to play against another 100 anglers at the ifsa master angler final, that requires travel to different typs of venues including shore and rock, we go after as many species as possible , the angling fraternity in the four provinces ulster, connaught ,lienster and munster all meet up as friend and fellow competitors at the final and have the greatest respect for each other, personally speaking i regard any member of the ifsa, who makes the final as an accomplished angler and in fact it wasnt to long ago when we had the world champion i think it was tom o sullivan im not sure, their are certaintly more than twelve good anglers in these irish masters i take it that you arnt in that category as no competitor in there right mind would hurl insults at another unless he had an ulterior motive i would suggest that you have scored an own goal in the insults department and wouldnt know a good angler if you seen one so if you would like to meet me at the championships my name is include at the bottom of this note and i will gladly introduce you to the 88 members of the federation that you insulted oh by and by the way i must be in the top twelve so i thank you for the compliment many thanks :roll: :roll: :shock: :lol: :lol:

:roll: ok,mayb der r 15 'top match anglers' out of the 100 or so dat fish it..!! the master angler compo has only produced one good team in the past 9-10 years, and that was the year Timmy won ind-gold..its just aswell that only the winner of this years event will earn a place on the team, and the winner will be a leinster angler. the new system of the top 29 from the past 3 years fishing again over 2 days in the new year sometime will hopefully produce a much better team but mayb it wont, whos to know.......if it doesnt the federation should have a serious look at the way in which the brits team is selected, and start taking CV's!!

naa.. the way things are going i think the club i'm in will produce a member on the irish team..

since the club revived its self after many years, we have already got one junior on the irish team, the way things are going we'll have a senior going for the irish boat team, one of our senior members is on the irish team(through a different club), and the two members going to the master angler should have no problems..

all that within one year :D :D :D

so we should have no problem.. and as i said i had to forfit my position due to personal reasons, so the person who came 1 point behind me is going through....

I have fished the Masters several times and there is an element of "lottery" to it. How can a comp that is run over three matches pick out some of Ireland's finest Anglers. If the ground and fish in front of each angler is identical then I would say straight off that we will have a good team but as everyone who fishes matches knows that is not the case and a lot of luck initially lies with what peg you get. It's not a fair system in my opinion. If there was a hand picked team every year similar to our European counterparts then the chances are Ireland would be consistently in the top three at these events. There is no doubt in my mind that the talent is there to achieve those results. It's selecting a fair and good system to achieve that is the problem.

However the English guys have the same squad most years and I don't agree with that either!!, Some sort of county rotation system would be ideal. For example the guy who wins the Leinster league, the Munster league (i.e. two from Ulster one year, Two from Leinster the next etc etc.)and so fort would be fairer. At least this is over a year and will ultimately give a truer picture of talent than one weekends fishing?

Hi robert not sure if you miss my innitial point
but i think that an angler who competes against the equive of 300 anglers at club level, should be entitled if he or she wins the club master angler should have that chance of the final against the rest of the irish clubs at the masters, i do agree that at some venues fishing can be deemed a lottery, however im sure as you would appreciate that the biggest majority of competitors do thier homework on all the venues to be fished also the preperation starts at a very early stage, and then there is the baits coming closer to the time i will be seen on the beaches diggin at all hours to ensure that i have quality bait, im still not convinced that playoffs are the way forward as again they could be deemed by some as a lottery also, personally speaking we all know that we are way down in the world rankings, and i believe that the way forward is the youth in which lienster provincial council and in particular peter flahive and people like tom macadom have done an exceptional job with the youth in lienster, they have been proactive in training, the setting up of a junior league etc, the juniors in the ulster province have now started casting clinics, workshops that entail rig building techniques , identification and all aspects regarding angling as a whole, in the ulster province we are becoming more pro-active regarding the youth. but on thing that is seriously required in ireland is funding for all pro active angling organizations, perhaps starting at goverment level right down to any small bit of sponsorship secured, again i think team ireland will progress eventually with the help of more training and funding within sea angling in ireland, it may take time but i most unreservedly give credit to all those voluteers who give up thier spare time , in the persual of training within the youth. And as i said lienster provincial council of the i.f.s.a. Are a good example of progress for youth, and we in the ulster province are trying to mirror image , a final point is that quite simply that having to produce c.vs etc to make the ireland team will splinter the i.f.s.a. As it would perhaps be taken as an elitist activity that does not promote social inclusion for those anglers who may not be working for a wage or who are unemployed, i believe that the clubs who have larger membership should have the option of that master angler final my point there is that a club should have more than one or two members which i dont agree with as realistically they will qualify for the final every year, then consistancy of competant anglers will eventually come through and perhaps would materialise in a better irish team. hope i havent made you all fall asleep but i think all ideas for the betterment of irish boat and shore angling should be given a fair airing of veiws and obviously without insult or inflametary comments many thanks and good luck with all suggestions
i have no doubt that the way forward is the youth of ireland, funding, training workshops, casting clinics and sponsorship.

I agree with that Stuart, fair and good point. However as you pointed out not all clubs have 300 people in it. There are a lot of clubs with only a handful of guys in them and there are also clubs with only one in it :shock: purposely done so they can enter the master angler!

The clinics are the way forward though there is no doubt. :idea:

Last edited by RobertMcClean on Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:33 am, edited 1 time in total.

Unlike many of you I'm not a serious match angler (or even a good one) but I am involved in a club. The club left the IFSA this year and while the change in rules was not the major factor which was money it was the trigger. If there was a switch to selection like the English team it would probably be very good for the international team but the IFSA may lose many more non-pale clubs. Many clubs are struggling to survive for example there is no club on the Limerick side of the Estuary where as before there was 2. Less clubs mean less money for the IFSA.

Donagh

"but the IFSA may lose many more non-pale clubs. "

I can't work out why this should be - the cost to a club and an angler to register is the same wherever they are based.

Statement was unclear sorry and I wasn't suggesting we had to pay more money. The idea to split from the IFSA was from one of the members contacts who knew a Dublin club which did the same. International slection isn't anyway important to me as I wouldn't ever have the skill to get there but what I meant to say is if the IFSA switched to selection like the NFSA their would be a feeling of bias towards leinster.

Donagh

Were you able to get a good deal for insurance?

Hi Jd,

I'm not on the committee so don't know the full ins and outs but they went to a broker and it worked out about the same as the IFSA insurance. Money saved was from not paying the IFSA membership and levies. We weren't sure we were insured in previous years with IFSA as some thought we weren't insured due to the fact we hadn't been sending our fixture list advance.

Donagh

Donagh - re the sentence below

"but what I meant to say is if the IFSA switched to selection like the NFSA their would be a feeling of bias towards leinster. "

As some of the forum members may be aware, I was party to formulating the proposal for the thirty angler pool and spoke in favour of it at last years AGM.

There was some expressions similar to the above on the day and they have been stated at many AGM's before. I am at a loss to understand why this perception still survives.

I am not advocating an alternative selection process but surely if anglers were to submit a CV of their results and selection is based on same, there can be no bias.

I'm not saying there is a bias as I wouldn't know much about it but anglers from different clubs have said it to me. I'm not saying there is a bias or the change in rules was an effort to do this. I understand why the rules were changed as the league system will cut some of the luck factor out of it. I can't speak for club I'm in but from what I could see the main reason to leave was to make ends meet. Most club members didn't fish the opens and there was no interest in fishing the master angler after the rule change.

Donagh